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  • Originally posted by IUPNation View Post

    Then Brian Kelly never deserved a playoff bid when he sat at 0-6 against IUP..using your ****ed ip GV logic.

    Well that's interesting, because he really didn't get any playoff bids while losing to IUP lol. Lost in 1992 - didn't make playoffs. Lost in 1993 - didn't make playoffs. Lost in 1994 - made playoffs, lost to IUP again, as it should be. Lost in 1995 - didn't make playoffs. Made playoffs in 1998 - Lost to Slippery Rock. Made playoffs in 2001 and...oh gosh, what happened? Went undefeated, beat down Bloomsburg in the first round, lost the national title game by 3 points with a wide receiver playing QB. 2002 - beat UC Davis on their way to FCS, demolished IUP in the playoffs, demolished UNC on their way to FCS, won the title. 2003 - beat FCS UC Davis, went to the playoffs, demolished Bentley, won the title. It's almost like he proved after losing to IUP a bunch that he needed to keep improving, and when he did, he beat a bunch of teams that were great programs, and then showed playoff success and won championships.

    Thus far, not a single team currently in SR1 has shown themselves capable of consistently beating good programs in D2 outside of their own region.

    I'm not sure why this is even a discussion. It's all right there in black-and-white, where current SR1 schools have only made it to the national title game five times in 50 years, and lost all five times. Not a single national championship resides with current SR1 schools. Because y'all suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck.
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    • Originally posted by IUPNation View Post

      How do you determine the best teams when your conference plays a conference only schedule? When nobody really travels far for games anymore because it’s too costly?

      Your Bearcats have never played in Pennsylvania. How good would they be so far from hime? We’ll never know.

      The only time IUP played you guys (on your field…where Friggen else) we barely made the playoffs that season. They Made it to the final four and only lost by 8 to the Bearcats. We ended up being one of the final four teams despite not having a record going into the playoffs thst said they’d get that far.

      The only way you way works is everyone playing multiple farOOC games each season meaning your Bearcats would need to show their faces in Pennsylvania from time to time.
      You determine the best teams by seeing the same conference constantly beating teams from all around the nation in the playoff semifinals and non-conference games, and the same conferences and regions constantly getting crushed in the playoff semifinals.

      NW Missouri has won 10 national semifinal games, and won six titles. The idea that they haven't proven themselves one of the top programs is laughable lol. All because your IUP squad has never been able to even make it to a national semifinal or national championship to face them lol.

      MIAA has proven year after year in the playoffs that they are one of the best, because they keep winning national semifinal games against conferences and regions from all around the country. Maybe if the PSAC actually starts winning some semifinal games or national titles, people will respect them.
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      • Originally posted by KleShreen View Post

        Well that's interesting, because he really didn't get any playoff bids while losing to IUP lol. Lost in 1992 - didn't make playoffs. Lost in 1993 - didn't make playoffs. Lost in 1994 - made playoffs, lost to IUP again, as it should be. Lost in 1995 - didn't make playoffs. Made playoffs in 1998 - Lost to Slippery Rock. Made playoffs in 2001 and...oh gosh, what happened? Went undefeated, beat down Bloomsburg in the first round, lost the national title game by 3 points with a wide receiver playing QB. 2002 - beat UC Davis on their way to FCS, demolished IUP in the playoffs, demolished UNC on their way to FCS, won the title. 2003 - beat FCS UC Davis, went to the playoffs, demolished Bentley, won the title. It's almost like he proved after losing to IUP a bunch that he needed to keep improving, and when he did, he beat a bunch of teams that were great programs, and then showed playoff success and won championships.

        Thus far, not a single team currently in SR1 has shown themselves capable of consistently beating good programs in D2 outside of their own region.

        I'm not sure why this is even a discussion. It's all right there in black-and-white, where current SR1 schools have only made it to the national title game five times in 50 years, and lost all five times. Not a single national championship resides with current SR1 schools. Because y'all suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck.
        ..and Region 3 swallows.

        We still get our 7 playoff slots. We still get our regional playoffs and the GLIAC and MIAA won’t get their way. Love it!

        Suffer in Region 3…it’s what you deserve.







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        • Originally posted by KleShreen View Post

          You determine the best teams by seeing the same conference constantly beating teams from all around the nation in the playoff semifinals and non-conference games, and the same conferences and regions constantly getting crushed in the playoff semifinals.

          NW Missouri has won 10 national semifinal games, and won six titles. The idea that they haven't proven themselves one of the top programs is laughable lol. All because your IUP squad has never been able to even make it to a national semifinal or national championship to face them lol.

          MIAA has proven year after year in the playoffs that they are one of the best, because they keep winning national semifinal games against conferences and regions from all around the country. Maybe if the PSAC actually starts winning some semifinal games or national titles, people will respect them.
          The record Shows they played Northwest in the 1999 SemiFinals and lost 20-12. Hardly a blowout and we barely made the playoffs that year..we were the lowest seed with three losses to D1AA Youngstown State (another close game) , a blowout loss to Slimey and Millersville. Did so with a freshman QB too put into service after the two
          ayers in front of him got hurt . Paid back Slimey and Millersville in the playoffs and got sent to Marysville.

          The last time GV made a Seni Final they lost to a team in Region 1 who is now in the Pee Sack. Opps.

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          • Originally posted by IUPNation View Post

            The record Shows they played Northwest in the 1999 SemiFinals and lost 20-12. Hardly a blowout and we barely made the playoffs that year..we were the lowest seed with three losses to D1AA Youngstown State (another close game) , a blowout loss to Slimey and Millersville. Did so with a freshman QB too put into service after the two
            ayers in front of him got hurt . Paid back Slimey and Millersville in the playoffs and got sent to Marysville.

            The last time GV made a Seni Final they lost to a team in Region 1 who is now in the Pee Sack. Opps.
            GV is 129-38-1 all-time against current SR1 teams, and 25 of those losses came in the first 25 years of the team's history, prior to 1997 lol.

            I don't understand what we're arguing. You already admitted SR1 doesn't care about being good nationally. But then you're arguing SR1 is good nationally. So.
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            • Originally posted by KleShreen View Post

              GV is 129-38-1 all-time against current SR1 teams, and 25 of those losses came in the first 25 years of the team's history, prior to 1997 lol.

              I don't understand what we're arguing. You already admitted SR1 doesn't care about being good nationally. But then you're arguing SR1 is good nationally. So.
              Are you off your meds? I never once argued Region 1 is good nationally. I’m arguing against your arrogant statement that we don’t deserve playoff bids.

              The mission of D2 is regional. The basketball playoffs are regional. Baseball is regional and the winners advance to the championship round in the same place in North Carolina. You don’t like the regional format move up or shut up. That is all there is to it.

              GV and Northwest are big fish in a smaller pond full of smaller fish. Your schools choose to stay in a small college level. GV is not a small college. You could be another useless MAC school. You should be an FCS school at most. You choose to stay at a level where most schools are far smaller. So stop *****ing when they don’t live up to your expectations when your school won’t man Up and move up. None of us peons are asking for any changes to make it easier for us. We just like the way it is because it gives each region a tournament and the elite teams still wind up in the title game. If a semi final game against Region 1 is a ticket punched to the finals why do you want to change it?
              Last edited by IUPNation; 01-05-2023, 09:50 PM.

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              • Originally posted by IUPNation View Post

                Are you off your meds? I never once argued Region 1 is good nationally. I’m arguing against your arrogant statement that we don’t deserve playoff bids.

                The mission of D2 is regional. The basketball playoffs are regional. You don’t like the regional format move up or shut up. That is a there is to it.
                Hey at least your region can be good at one sport.

                We should have eight regions in football. Then the regions with the GLIAC and MIAA in them can finally meet in the semifinals and finals instead of the quarters!
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                • Originally posted by KleShreen View Post

                  Hey at least your region can be good at one sport.

                  We should have eight regions in football. Then the regions with the GLIAC and MIAA in them can finally meet in the semifinals and finals instead of the quarters!
                  That’s all this is about. You both got stuck in the same region. That’s not our problem. I gave you the fix. Flip the MIAA and NSIC. You should be playing Minnehaha State in the region not Northwest.

                  Iys hysterical how BIG fans from the Midwest hated eastern teams joining but in D2 you want a Midwest conference in and Eastern Region. Make up your minds.

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                  • Originally posted by KleShreen View Post

                    Hey at least your region can be good at one sport.

                    We should have eight regions in football. Then the regions with the GLIAC and MIAA in them can finally meet in the semifinals and finals instead of the quarters!
                    Make it 8 regions and expand to 32 teams where four teams make the playoffs in each region for the first two rounds.

                    Region 1 - Pee Sack and NE 10.
                    Region 2 - GMAC and MEC
                    Region 3- CIAA and SAC
                    Region 4 - GSC and SIAC
                    Region 5 - GAC and LSC
                    Region 6 - GLIAC and GLVC
                    Region 7 - NSIC and RMAC

                    ..and Region 8 can just be the MIAA Where after an 11 game SILO schedule they can have their own circle jerk to their greatness and have their top 4 teams in regional playoff to themselves and watch Northwest win that every year too.

                    Then you rank all 8 winners where the power teams will get the top dpots and get to host and then you get your final four wishes and then you all will ***** on here in a dick wagging contest that your team should have been the host for the Semi Finals

                    I should run not only the Pee Sack but the entire level.

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                    • Originally posted by IUPNation View Post

                      (1) How do you determine the best teams when your conference plays a conference only schedule? When nobody really travels far for games anymore because it’s too costly?

                      (2) Your Bearcats have never played in Pennsylvania. How good would they be so far from hime? We’ll never know.

                      (3) The only way you way works is everyone playing multiple farOOC games each season meaning your Bearcats would need to show their faces in Pennsylvania from time to time.
                      (1) How do you determine the best teams when your conference plays a conference only schedule?

                      (2) Your Bearcats have never played in Pennsylvania. How good would they be so far from hime? We’ll never know.

                      (3) The only way you way works is everyone playing multiple farOOC games each season meaning your Bearcats would need to show their faces in Pennsylvania from time to time.
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                      (1) That is absolutely an issue that should be addressed. I think every conference should have a representative, but I also think that if a conference plays an insular schedule, only one team from that conference should make it.

                      (2) Almost every view I express on here is from the perspective of being what is good for D2 overall.

                      Northwest has played these games far from home (flight):

                      1996 @ Northern Colorado L
                      1999 @ Northern Colorado W
                      2005 @ North Alabama W
                      2007 @ Chadron State W
                      2008 @ Abilene Christian W
                      2009 @ Central Washington W
                      2010 @ Texas A&M-Kingsville W
                      2010 @ Minnesota-Duluth L
                      2011 @ Midwestern State W
                      2014 @ Minnesota Duluth
                      2017 @ Ashland L
                      2018 @ Grand Valley W
                      2018 @ Ferris State L
                      2019 @ Ferris State L
                      2021 @ Ferris State L
                      2022 @ Grand Valley L

                      (3) It works as long as out of conference games are played. It's time for everyone to stop pretending that each year is a new year and anything can happen.

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                      • Originally posted by IUPNation View Post

                        The record Shows they played Northwest in the 1999 SemiFinals and lost 20-12. Hardly a blowout and we barely made the playoffs that year..we were the lowest seed with three losses to D1AA Youngstown State (another close game) , a blowout loss to Slimey and Millersville. Did so with a freshman QB too put into service after the two
                        ayers in front of him got hurt . Paid back Slimey and Millersville in the playoffs and got sent to Marysville.

                        The last time GV made a Seni Final they lost to a team in Region 1 who is now in the Pee Sack. Opps.
                        IUP was a pretty good team that year. Tort and I had a great time reminiscing before our show about that game and those players.

                        It's also important to contextualize that they were the #4 seed as the last seed versus today's #7 seed being the last seed.

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                        • Originally posted by Brandon View Post




                          (1) That is absolutely an issue that should be addressed. I think every conference should have a representative, but I also think that if a conference plays an insular schedule, only one team from that conference should make it.

                          (2) Almost every view I express on here is from the perspective of being what is good for D2 overall.

                          Northwest has played these games far from home (flight):

                          1996 @ Northern Colorado L
                          1999 @ Northern Colorado W
                          2005 @ North Alabama W
                          2007 @ Chadron State W
                          2008 @ Abilene Christian W
                          2009 @ Central Washington W
                          2010 @ Texas A&M-Kingsville W
                          2010 @ Minnesota-Duluth L
                          2011 @ Midwestern State W
                          2014 @ Minnesota Duluth
                          2017 @ Ashland L
                          2018 @ Grand Valley W
                          2018 @ Ferris State L
                          2019 @ Ferris State L
                          2021 @ Ferris State L
                          2022 @ Grand Valley L

                          (3) It works as long as out of conference games are played. It's time for everyone to stop pretending that each year is a new year and anything can happen.
                          It’s always been a money issue at this level.

                          IUP went into the 1991 playoffs as the top ranked team in the country. When it came to the Semis we got forced in the road to Jacksonville State because they could guarantee more money and we lost by 7 because home field was critical. What a travesty. It didn’t matter how good you were, it was the money. It’s still the money. I don’t know how you fix it.

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                          • Originally posted by IUPNation View Post

                            It’s always been a money issue at this level.

                            IUP went into the 1991 playoffs as the top ranked team in the country. When it came to the Semis we got forced in the road to Jacksonville State because they could guarantee more money and we lost by 7 because home field was critical. What a travesty. It didn’t matter how good you were, it was the money. It’s still the money. I don’t know how you fix it.
                            Pitt had to travel to Portland Oregon that year in the semis, but they did get 2 home games before that.

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                            • (1) How do you determine the best teams when your conference plays a conference only schedule?

                              (2) Your Bearcats have never played in Pennsylvania. How good would they be so far from hime? We’ll never know.

                              (3) The only way you way works is everyone playing multiple farOOC games each season meaning your Bearcats would need to show their faces in Pennsylvania from time to time.


                              (1) That is absolutely an issue that should be addressed. I think every conference should have a representative, but I also think that if a conference plays an insular schedule, only one team from that conference should make it.

                              (2) Almost every view I express on here is from the perspective of being what is good for D2 overall.

                              Northwest has played these games far from home (flight):

                              1996 @ Northern Colorado L
                              1999 @ Northern Colorado W
                              2005 @ North Alabama W
                              2007 @ Chadron State W
                              2008 @ Abilene Christian W
                              2009 @ Central Washington W
                              2010 @ Texas A&M-Kingsville W
                              2010 @ Minnesota-Duluth L
                              2011 @ Midwestern State W
                              2014 @ Minnesota Duluth
                              2017 @ Ashland L
                              2018 @ Grand Valley W
                              2018 @ Ferris State L
                              2019 @ Ferris State L
                              2021 @ Ferris State L
                              2022 @ Grand Valley L

                              (3) It works as long as out of conference games are played. It's time for everyone to stop pretending that each year is a new year and anything can happen.
                              Those Northern Colorado teams were beasts during their run.

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                              • Originally posted by Predatory Primates View Post

                                Pitt had to travel to Portland Oregon that year in the semis, but they did get 2 home games before that.
                                Same with IUP. They demolished Virginia Union and Shippensburg the first two games in Indiana. This was a season after our first Title appearance. So again it was about money and bids for games. It was not about having the best team host or following the rankings.

                                The money talks. It’s most likely why the regional format was created and they aren’t going to waiver.

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