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  • #76
    Originally posted by IUPNation View Post

    How is that possible? Pennsylvania is among the highest tuition for public schools in the US. IUP only gets about 25 percent of its operational funding from Harrisburg. To call it a public school these days is a stretch. When I was there it was 75 percent.
    NW costs about a grand more per year. Pitt is about 3500 cheaper. Both states have terrible, education hating governments. I have no idea what percent of operating costs each gets from the state, though.

    I probably should, as I pay taxes in both states.

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    • #77
      Originally posted by IUPNation View Post

      How is that possible? Pennsylvania is among the highest tuition for public schools in the US. IUP only gets about 25 percent of its operational funding from Harrisburg. To call it a public school these days is a stretch. When I was there it was 75 percent.
      FWIW... GV gets under 15% of it's revenue from the state of MI. I think it's like 13%

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      • #78
        Originally posted by Predatory Primates View Post

        NW costs about a grand more per year. Pitt is about 3500 cheaper. Both states have terrible, education hating governments. I have no idea what percent of operating costs each gets from the state, though.

        I probably should, as I pay taxes in both states.
        I think NW gets about 25-30%.

        •$475 million to the University of Missouri System

        •$103 million to Missouri State University

        •$61 million to the University of Central Missouri

        •$46 million to Truman State University

        •$34 million to Northwest Missouri State University

        •$31 million to Missouri Southern State University

        •$29 million to Lincoln University

        •$25 million to Missouri Western State University

        •$12.6 million to Harris Stowe State University

        •$8.5 million to State Technical College of Missouri

        •$10 million in core funding for the state’s community colleges
        Last edited by CatFan88; 01-02-2023, 07:12 PM.
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        • #79
          Originally posted by IUPNation View Post

          Prove it. You can’t so it’s just more dick wagging.

          Send your mid pack teams to IUP or Shepherd and let’s see how they do. Put up or shut up. The MIAA plays an all conference schedule. How would anyone know how well their never going to win the conference title teams do against anyone?

          The fact is that it is getting rare that teams travel far out of region at this level in the regular season which is why the regional setup will stay in place and our Region is going to get its 7 slots whether you like it or not.
          PSAC in play against teams not from current SR1 pool:

          2011:
          St. Cloud defeats Cal PA 26-3
          Cheyney defeats Lincoln 21-19
          Cal PA defeats Elizabeth City State 44-0 (playoffs)
          Winston-Salem defeats Cal PA 35-28 (playoffs)

          2012:
          Cheyney defeats Lincoln 34-21
          Winston-Salem defeats East Stroudsburg 37-14 (playoffs)
          Winston-Salem defeats IUP 21-17 (playoffs)

          2013:
          Lincoln defeats Cheyney 33-28
          Winston-Salem defeats Slippery Rock 27-20 (playoffs)
          Lenoir-Rhyne defeats West Chester 42-14 (playoffs)

          2014:
          Livingstone defeats Millersville 46-44
          Carson-Newman defeats Edinboro 38-24
          Lincoln defeats Cheyney 30-18
          IUP defeats St. Augustine's 41-19
          Cal PA defeats Virginia State 33-24
          Bloomsburg defeats Virginia State 35-14 (playoffs)

          2015:
          St. Joseph's defeats Edinboro 30-10
          Lenoir-Rhyne defeats West Chester 41-28
          Lincoln defeats Cheyney 29-22
          Cal PA defeats Virginia State 35-16
          Slippery Rock defeats Virginia Union 40-21 (playoffs)

          2016:
          Cheyney defeats Lincoln 21-10
          Seton Hill defeats Bowie State 50-48
          Edinboro defeats St. Joseph's 31-30

          2017:
          Cheyney defeats Lincoln 56-28
          Slippery Rock defeats Kentucky State 42-21
          Bowie State defeats Seton Hill 48-7
          West Florida defeats IUP 27-17 (playoffs)

          2018:
          Ferris State defeats East Stroudsburg 49-17
          Virginia Union defeats Seton Hill 34-28
          Slippery Rock defeats Kentucky State 38-31
          Clarion defeats Lincoln 44-7
          Texas A&M Commerce defeats Lock Haven 68-6

          2019:
          Slippery Rock defeats Wayne State 62-37
          Lock Haven defeats Lincoln 57-13
          GVSU defeats Edinboro 35-10
          Minnesota State defeats Slippery Rock 58-15

          2021:
          Slippery Rock defeats Wayne State 24-21
          GVSU/Edinboro canceled, or this would have been a loss for Edinboro)
          Lock Haven defeats Lincoln 20-0
          Ferris State defeats Shepherd 55-7 (playoffs)

          2022:
          Slippery Rock defeats Wayne State 42-10
          Colorado Mines defeats Shepherd 44-13 (playoffs)

          That's an overall record of 19-22 against teams currently outside of SR1, including regular season and playoffs.

          If you remove Lincoln PA from the mix, arguably the worst program in Division II football for this entire timeframe, then it's 12-19.

          If you remove CIAA and SIAC schools from the mix, arguably two of the worst conferences in Division II football for the entire timeframe, then it's 4-12. And three of those four wins are Slippery Rock over the current GLIAC doormat of Wayne State.

          The ONLY OTHER PSAC victory over the last 11 seasons against a team NOT from SR1, the CIAA, SIAC, or the worst team in the GLIAC, has been Edinboro over St. Joseph's College, which now doesn't exist, in 2016. That's it. They are 0-FOR-EVERYTHING in the last decade+ against teams not from the worst of the worst in Division II. Every PSAC non-SR1 win in the last 11 seasons has been over the absolute worst of Division II football.
          Last edited by KleShreen; 01-02-2023, 07:52 PM.
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          • #80
            If you’re a private school you are not eligible. Only state supported schools qualify for po.

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            • #81
              Pitt got 31% from the state in 2021.

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              • #82
                Originally posted by KleShreen View Post

                PSAC in play against teams not from current SR1 pool:

                2011:
                St. Cloud defeats Cal PA 26-3
                Cheyney defeats Lincoln 21-19
                Cal PA defeats Elizabeth City State 44-0 (playoffs)
                Winston-Salem defeats Cal PA 35-28 (playoffs)

                2012:
                Cheyney defeats Lincoln 34-21
                Winston-Salem defeats East Stroudsburg 37-14 (playoffs)
                Winston-Salem defeats IUP 21-17 (playoffs)

                2013:
                Lincoln defeats Cheyney 33-28
                Winston-Salem defeats Slippery Rock 27-20 (playoffs)
                Lenoir-Rhyne defeats West Chester 42-14 (playoffs)

                2014:
                Livingstone defeats Millersville 46-44
                Carson-Newman defeats Edinboro 38-24
                Lincoln defeats Cheyney 30-18
                IUP defeats St. Augustine's 41-19
                Cal PA defeats Virginia State 33-24
                Bloomsburg defeats Virginia State 35-14 (playoffs)

                2015:
                St. Joseph's defeats Edinboro 30-10
                Lenoir-Rhyne defeats West Chester 41-28
                Lincoln defeats Cheyney 29-22
                Cal PA defeats Virginia State 35-16
                Slippery Rock defeats Virginia Union 40-21 (playoffs)

                2016:
                Cheyney defeats Lincoln 21-10
                Seton Hill defeats Bowie State 50-48
                Edinboro defeats St. Joseph's 31-30

                2017:
                Cheyney defeats Lincoln 56-28
                Slippery Rock defeats Kentucky State 42-21
                Bowie State defeats Seton Hill 48-7
                West Florida defeats IUP 27-17 (playoffs)

                2018:
                Ferris State defeats East Stroudsburg 49-17
                Virginia Union defeats Seton Hill 34-28
                Slippery Rock defeats Kentucky State 38-31
                Clarion defeats Lincoln 44-7
                Texas A&M Commerce defeats Lock Haven 68-6

                2019:
                Slippery Rock defeats Wayne State 62-37
                Lock Haven defeats Lincoln 57-13
                GVSU defeats Edinboro 35-10
                Minnesota State defeats Slippery Rock 58-15

                2021:
                Slippery Rock defeats Wayne State 24-21
                GVSU/Edinboro canceled, or this would have been a loss for Edinboro)
                Lock Haven defeats Lincoln 20-0
                Ferris State defeats Shepherd 55-7 (playoffs)

                2022:
                Slippery Rock defeats Wayne State 42-10
                Colorado Mines defeats Shepherd 44-13 (playoffs)

                That's an overall record of 19-22 against teams currently outside of SR1, including regular season and playoffs.

                If you remove Lincoln PA from the mix, arguably the worst program in Division II football for this entire timeframe, then it's 12-19.

                If you remove CIAA and SIAC schools from the mix, arguably two of the worst conferences in Division II football for the entire timeframe, then it's 4-12. And three of those four wins are Slippery Rock over the current GLIAC doormat of Wayne State.

                The ONLY OTHER PSAC victory over the last 11 seasons against a team NOT from SR1, the CIAA, SIAC, or the worst team in the GLIAC, has been Edinboro over St. Joseph's College, which now doesn't exist, in 2016. That's it. They are 0-FOR-EVERYTHING in the last decade+ against teams not from the worst of the worst in Division II. Every PSAC non-SR1 win in the last 11 seasons has been over the absolute worst of Division II football.
                Winston Salem and the CIAA was in Region 1 when they played those playoff games. If you were smart, you would have known that. Winston-Salem also had just moved down from FCS and still had most of their players from that level so they were dominant then until they all left and nobody has heard a peep from them since.

                Almost all of these games were the bottom feeders of the Pee Sack . Cheyney doesn’t plays sports any longer. The only games that really stand out was Minnehaha State’s drubbing of Slimey when they had Roland Rivers and the IUP loss to West Flori-duh where the Transfers were up 21-0 and IUP pulled within a TD in the 4th before they went on a game killing long drive in the 4th and iced it with a FG. It was a blowout in the first half until it wasn’t.

                You really were reaching with this one..
                Last edited by IUPNation; 01-02-2023, 10:20 PM.

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                • #83
                  Originally posted by IUPNation View Post

                  Winston Salem and the CIAA was in Region 1 when they played those playoff games. If you were smart, you would have known that. Winston-Salem also had just moved down from FCS and still had most of their players from that level so they were dominant then until they all left and nobody has heard a peep from them since.

                  Almost all of these games were the bottom feeders of the Pee Sack . Cheyney doesn’t plays sports any longer. The new Lu games that really stand out was Minnehaha State’s drubbing of Slimey when they had Roland Rivers and the IUP loss to West Flori-duh where the Transfers were up 21-0 and IUP pulled within a TD in the 4th before they went on a game killing long drive in the 4th and iced it with a FG.

                  You really were teaching with this one..
                  I guess it's a good thing I mentioned three different times in the post that these were games the PSAC played *against schools not currently in SR1*.

                  If you'd like, I can go ahead and go through and count all the games the PSAC played against a bunch of current GMAC teams while they were in the GLIAC, but I don't think you'd like those results, so I threw you a bone.
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                  • #84
                    Originally posted by KleShreen View Post

                    I guess it's a good thing I mentioned three different times in the post that these were games the PSAC played *against schools not currently in SR1*.
                    But they were at the time so whatever point you are trying to make is silly.

                    Slimey had zero problems with Wayne State. I thought you said the bad teams in Flyover country conferences could beat the top teams in the Pee Sack. Obviously that is not the case. The GLIAC is two elite teams, a decent Saggy Boob program and 4 warm bodies.

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                    • #85
                      Originally posted by KleShreen View Post

                      I guess it's a good thing I mentioned three different times in the post that these were games the PSAC played *against schools not currently in SR1*.

                      If you'd like, I can go ahead and go through and count all the games the PSAC played against a bunch of current GMAC teams while they were in the GLIAC, but I don't think you'd like those results, so I threw you a bone.
                      Go ahead…IUP’s record is ****ing outstanding. Do the whole current GLIAC too.

                      I’ll give you the first one..IUP is 6-1 all time vs GV. It took 7 tries until youse finally got it right. Frank Cignetti was Brian Kelly’s daddy for a long time.

                      IUP beat Ashland in 2017. Ashland won the GLIAC that year. Then beat them again in 2018…was the third place team in the GLIAC. Hmmm..tell me again about middle teams of Flyover conferences dominating PEeSack playoff teams? We didn’t even make the playoffs in 2018 but still was able to beat a GLIAC team.

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                      • #86
                        One of the PSAC's wins over Wayne State came in a season where WSU was second in the GLIAC behind Ferris.

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                        • #87
                          IUP vs GLIAC Teams

                          2-0 vs Ashland (before they bolted)
                          5-1 vs Ferris Bueller State
                          2-1 vs Findlay (before they bolted)
                          6-1 vs Grand Valley
                          1-3 vs Hillsdale Fake Christian College(last played in 83)
                          8-2 vs Northwood Auto Dealers Association
                          1-1 vs Saggy Boob Valley

                          So 25-9 vs GLIAC teams in the past.

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                          • #88
                            Originally posted by Predatory Primates View Post

                            NW costs about a grand more per year. Pitt is about 3500 cheaper. Both states have terrible, education hating governments. I have no idea what percent of operating costs each gets from the state, though.

                            I probably should, as I pay taxes in both states.
                            I find that surprising because I was pretty sure PA was the worst in cost.

                            IUP did lower their tuition but it still costs too much.

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                            • #89
                              Originally posted by IUPNation View Post

                              I find that surprising because I was pretty sure PA was the worst in cost.

                              IUP did lower their tuition but it still costs too much.
                              Penn state and U of Pitt are considerably higher, but IUP is pretty cheap. PA is a long way from being the highest priced state, though.

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                              • #90
                                Originally posted by IUPNation View Post

                                But they were at the time so whatever point you are trying to make is silly.

                                Slimey had zero problems with Wayne State. I thought you said the bad teams in Flyover country conferences could beat the top teams in the Pee Sack. Obviously that is not the case. The GLIAC is two elite teams, a decent Saggy Boob program and 4 warm bodies.
                                lol no, it's not silly, because the discussion is about the current layout and the competitiveness of each region. Teams not currently in SR1 vs teams currently in SR1.
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