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  • CatFan88
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    Originally posted by KleShreen View Post

    I don't know if it's too abnormal. I think it is pretty clear to anyone who watches the games that the MIAA and GLIAC and the GCS are a step above every other conference in the country. There are some weird ones in there, though. I don't know about Truman over Newberry, Harding over Shepherd, Ashland over IUP, and I certainly don't think UNK could hang with UWF, let alone also beat Delta AND Angelo. That UNK run is baffling, even by Massey MIAA standards. That would be one of the most incredible playoff runs ever.
    Yea, that was a big surprise the first time I ran it through, so I did it again. I don't think UNK could make that run in reality.

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  • KleShreen
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    Originally posted by IUPNation View Post

    I’m not complaining about the same schools winning everybyear. I’m complaining about their fan bases who whine that certain Regions shouldn’t get playoff spots because the bottom feeders of the leagues they dominate don’t get playoff spots. If they aren’t beating youse in the regular season they aren’t beating you in the playoffs either..
    But the middle of the better conferences will beat the playoff teams from worse conferences.

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  • KleShreen
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    Originally posted by IUPNation View Post

    Yes the vast majority of D2 isn’t NW Misery or Ferris Bueller State. The Haves are literally the exception at this level. In the past it meant they moved up.
    Why doesn't IUP move up because of their basketball team? It's almost like "moving up" has nothing to do with 1 or 2 sports' success.

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  • IUPNation
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    Originally posted by CatFan88 View Post
    Grand Valley State Regional
    1. GVSU 35-10 vs 8.Bemidji St.
    4. Truman St. 26-19 vs 5. Newberry
    3. NW 34-10 vs 6. Lenoir Rhyne
    2. CO Mines 45-21 vs 7. Limestone

    1. GVSU 31-6 vs 4. Truman St.
    3. NW 30-24 vs 2. CO Mines

    1. GVSU 21-20 vs 3. NW

    Ferris State Regional
    1. Ferris St. 38-14 vs 8. CSU-Pueblo
    5. W. Georgia 28-21 vs. 4. Wingate
    3. Benedict 28-24 vs 6. VA Union
    7. Emporia St. 33-24 vs 2. Indy

    1. Ferris St. 37-20 vs 5. W. Georgia
    7. Emporia St. 37-13 vs 3. Benedict

    1 Ferris St. 33-21 vs 7. Emporia St.

    Pittsburg State Regional
    1. Pitt St. 36-7 vs 8. Notre Dame
    5. MSU-Mankato 33-28 vs 4. Davenport
    6. Harding 31-24 vs 3. Shepherd
    2. Ouachita 31-24 vs 7. SVSU

    1. Pitt St. 35-13 vs 5. MSU-Mankato
    2. Ouachita 31-28 vs 6. Harding

    1. Pitt St. 34-20 vs. 2. Ouachita

    Angelo State Regional
    1. Angelo St. 31-13 vs 8. Slippery Rock
    5. Ashland 21-19 vs. 4. IUP
    3. Delta St. 34-10 vs. 6. Assumption
    7. Nebraska-Kearney 31-30 vs. 2. W. Florida

    1. Angelo St. 27-10 vs 5. Ashland
    7. Nebraska-Kearney 33-28 vs 3. Delta St.

    7. Nebraska-Kearney 24-21 vs 1. Angelo St.

    Semifinals
    1. GVSU 27-20 vs 4. Nebraska-Kearney
    2. Ferris St. 24-20 vs 3. Pitt St.

    Championship
    2. Ferris St. 24-21 vs 1. GVSU

    * I think Massey Matchup has an abnormal thing for the MIAA and GLIAC.
    IUP actually beat Ashland in the playoffs this year.

    Just sayin…

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  • IUPNation
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    Originally posted by Brandon View Post
    Complaints about the same schools winning every year ring hollow. The trend occurs in every level of college football.
    I’m not complaining about the same schools winning everybyear. I’m complaining about their fan bases who whine that certain Regions shouldn’t get playoff spots because the bottom feeders of the leagues they dominate don’t get playoff spots. If they aren’t beating youse in the regular season they aren’t beating you in the playoffs either..

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  • IUPNation
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    Originally posted by njmav1 View Post

    There isn't a problem- as long as those schools are staying within the rules.

    I can make the argument that a few schools dominate because the majority of schools in D2 football don't or can't maximize their financial commitment.
    Yes the vast majority of D2 isn’t NW Misery or Ferris Bueller State. The Haves are literally the exception at this level. In the past it meant they moved up.

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  • KleShreen
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    Originally posted by CatFan88 View Post
    Grand Valley State Regional
    1. GVSU 35-10 vs 8.Bemidji St.
    4. Truman St. 26-19 vs 5. Newberry
    3. NW 34-10 vs 6. Lenoir Rhyne
    2. CO Mines 45-21 vs 7. Limestone

    1. GVSU 31-6 vs 4. Truman St.
    3. NW 30-24 vs 2. CO Mines

    1. GVSU 21-20 vs 3. NW

    Ferris State Regional
    1. Ferris St. 38-14 vs 8. CSU-Pueblo
    5. W. Georgia 28-21 vs. 4. Wingate
    3. Benedict 28-24 vs 6. VA Union
    7. Emporia St. 33-24 vs 2. Indy

    1. Ferris St. 37-20 vs 5. W. Georgia
    7. Emporia St. 37-13 vs 3. Benedict

    1 Ferris St. 33-21 vs 7. Emporia St.

    Pittsburg State Regional
    1. Pitt St. 36-7 vs 8. Notre Dame
    5. MSU-Mankato 33-28 vs 4. Davenport
    6. Harding 31-24 vs 3. Shepherd
    2. Ouachita 31-24 vs 7. SVSU

    1. Pitt St. 35-13 vs 5. MSU-Mankato
    2. Ouachita 31-28 vs 6. Harding

    1. Pitt St. 34-20 vs. 2. Ouachita

    Angelo State Regional
    1. Angelo St. 31-13 vs 8. Slippery Rock
    5. Ashland 21-19 vs. 4. IUP
    3. Delta St. 34-10 vs. 6. Assumption
    7. Nebraska-Kearney 31-30 vs. 2. W. Florida

    1. Angelo St. 27-10 vs 5. Ashland
    7. Nebraska-Kearney 33-28 vs 3. Delta St.

    7. Nebraska-Kearney 24-21 vs 1. Angelo St.

    Semifinals
    1. GVSU 27-20 vs 4. Nebraska-Kearney
    2. Ferris St. 24-20 vs 3. Pitt St.

    Championship
    2. Ferris St. 24-21 vs 1. GVSU

    * I think Massey Matchup has an abnormal thing for the MIAA and GLIAC.
    I don't know if it's too abnormal. I think it is pretty clear to anyone who watches the games that the MIAA and GLIAC and the GCS are a step above every other conference in the country. There are some weird ones in there, though. I don't know about Truman over Newberry, Harding over Shepherd, Ashland over IUP, and I certainly don't think UNK could hang with UWF, let alone also beat Delta AND Angelo. That UNK run is baffling, even by Massey MIAA standards. That would be one of the most incredible playoff runs ever.

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  • CatFan88
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    Grand Valley State Regional
    1. GVSU 35-10 vs 8.Bemidji St.
    4. Truman St. 26-19 vs 5. Newberry
    3. NW 34-10 vs 6. Lenoir Rhyne
    2. CO Mines 45-21 vs 7. Limestone

    1. GVSU 31-6 vs 4. Truman St.
    3. NW 30-24 vs 2. CO Mines

    1. GVSU 21-20 vs 3. NW

    Ferris State Regional
    1. Ferris St. 38-14 vs 8. CSU-Pueblo
    5. W. Georgia 28-21 vs. 4. Wingate
    3. Benedict 28-24 vs 6. VA Union
    7. Emporia St. 33-24 vs 2. Indy

    1. Ferris St. 37-20 vs 5. W. Georgia
    7. Emporia St. 37-13 vs 3. Benedict

    1 Ferris St. 33-21 vs 7. Emporia St.

    Pittsburg State Regional
    1. Pitt St. 36-7 vs 8. Notre Dame
    5. MSU-Mankato 33-28 vs 4. Davenport
    6. Harding 31-24 vs 3. Shepherd
    2. Ouachita 31-24 vs 7. SVSU

    1. Pitt St. 35-13 vs 5. MSU-Mankato
    2. Ouachita 31-28 vs 6. Harding

    1. Pitt St. 34-20 vs. 2. Ouachita

    Angelo State Regional
    1. Angelo St. 31-13 vs 8. Slippery Rock
    5. Ashland 21-19 vs. 4. IUP
    3. Delta St. 34-10 vs. 6. Assumption
    7. Nebraska-Kearney 31-30 vs. 2. W. Florida

    1. Angelo St. 27-10 vs 5. Ashland
    7. Nebraska-Kearney 33-28 vs 3. Delta St.

    7. Nebraska-Kearney 24-21 vs 1. Angelo St.

    Semifinals
    1. GVSU 27-20 vs 4. Nebraska-Kearney
    2. Ferris St. 24-20 vs 3. Pitt St.

    Championship
    2. Ferris St. 24-21 vs 1. GVSU

    * I think Massey Matchup has an abnormal thing for the MIAA and GLIAC.
    Last edited by CatFan88; 01-02-2023, 06:06 AM.

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  • CatFan88
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    Did some simple calculations from metrics readily available online and calculated ratings to get top 32 teams (hate byes). This would be my PO format for now. All conferences accounted for. No independents made the top 32. Top 4 teams in order: 1. GVSU, 2. Ferris St., 3. Pitt St., 4. Angelo St.

    Grand Valley State Regional
    1. GVSU
    8. Bemidji St.
    4. Truman St.
    5. Newberry
    3. Northwest Missouri St.
    6. Lenoir Rhyne
    2. Colorado Mines
    7. Limestone

    Ferris State Regional
    1. Ferris St.
    8. CSU-Pueblo
    4. Wingate
    5. W. Georgia
    3. Benedict
    6. Virginia Union
    2. Indianapolis
    7. Emporia St.

    Pittsburg State Regional
    1. Pitt St.
    8. Notre Dame
    4. Davenport
    5. Minnesota St.-Mankato
    3. Shepherd
    6. Harding
    2. Ouachita Baptist
    7. Saginaw Valley St.

    Angelo State Regional
    1. Angelo St.
    8. Slippery Rock
    4. IUP
    5. Ashland
    3. Delta St.
    6. Assumption
    2. W. Florida
    7. Nebraska-Kearney

    1st 4 out: 33. Ft. Valley St, 34. Mars Hill, 35. Fayetteville, 36. Kutztown.
    Last edited by CatFan88; 01-02-2023, 06:10 AM.

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  • Brandon
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    Witt's bracket is very entertaining.

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  • Brandon
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    Complaints about the same schools winning every year ring hollow. The trend occurs in every level of college football.

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  • njmav1
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    Originally posted by IUPNation View Post

    The same 10 teams dominate so is there really a problem. What sone want on here is exclusion because they deem most of the division inferior. It feels like 1980’s South Africa…D2 Apartheid.
    There isn't a problem- as long as those schools are staying within the rules.

    I can make the argument that a few schools dominate because the majority of schools in D2 football don't or can't maximize their financial commitment.

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  • IUPNation
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    Originally posted by Turbonium View Post

    The schools must stay in business which is why the regions exist, why silo scheduling exists, why cost savings outweigh things that might make the overall product better. It's why not every school or conference can be fully funded. It's honestly why D2 football might not survive with how things are trending.
    It will survive. Over the almost 50 years it has existed it has seen schools move up to D1 and seem some fall back to D2. There will more small schools wanting to join D2. This level will change every year.

    Think of all the schools that have moved up over the years. Only a few are dominant in the level they moved up to…most are just another face in the crowd.

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  • njmav1
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    Originally posted by Turbonium View Post

    The schools must stay in business which is why the regions exist, why silo scheduling exists, why cost savings outweigh things that might make the overall product better. It's why not every school or conference can be fully funded. It's honestly why D2 football might not survive with how things are trending.
    Okay, I agree. All schools regardless of NCAA affiliation (1, 2, or 3) need to survive. But I don't think all those things are because of cost containment.

    I think D2 schools have decided to position themselves between the competitiveness of D1 and the scholastics of D3. I see nothing wrong with that and I don't think there's anything wrong with the (football) product.

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  • Turbonium
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    Originally posted by njmav1 View Post

    Not sure what you mean by "staying in business." I don't think D2 football or basketball makes any money or ever has.
    The schools must stay in business which is why the regions exist, why silo scheduling exists, why cost savings outweigh things that might make the overall product better. It's why not every school or conference can be fully funded. It's honestly why D2 football might not survive with how things are trending.

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