OT: D1

[shipfbfan1]

Well, Kutztown didn't lose their head coach to Lafayette, but they did lose their DC to the Leopards.

If Lehigh doesn't vastly improve next season I think Clements takes that job and KU will have to either promote Quarterman to HC or he'll leave with Clements to go to Lehigh.

[Fightingscot82]

Well, Kutztown didn't lose their head coach to Lafayette, but they did lose their DC to the Leopards.

[Matt Burglund]

I wonder what John Mobley would have done if Kutztown was in the 1995 playoffs. He probably would have played, since he went on to play in the Senior Bowl

Kenny Pickett is playing in the Senior Bowl.

(I think Mobley would have played, too. But not because of the Senior Bowl. Probably because he knew the tough road D2 players face.)

[IUPbigINDIANS]

I wonder what John Mobley would have done if Kutztown was in the 1995 playoffs. He probably would have played, since he went on to play in the Senior Bowl

That's 25 years ago. Sitting out was about unheard of back then. Things are much different today with opt-outs, etc.

If you're a sure-fire Round 1, not in the playoff ... it is what it is. It's their millions staring at them. Not us.

Blow a knee in the freaking Peach Bowl and say goodbye to Round 1 ... and a check with many zeroes on it.

These superstars are in college to get to the NFL. As the Ohio State QB said several years ago ... they aren't there to play school.

We'll never see it in the D2 level. The Round 1 guy in D2 is like a pink elephant.

As a fan ... sure, it sucks. I watched Pitt play with its QB3 for 95% of the game. It was awful. But, I can't blame Kenny Pickett. Round 1 is life-altering coin.

[Bart]

It does, because almost no D2 players are ever drafted in the 1st round of the NFL Draft, partly because they play at the D2 level and scouts question their level of competition.

I wonder what John Mobley would have done if Kutztown was in the 1995 playoffs. He probably would have played, since he went on to play in the Senior Bowl

[Matt Burglund]

With the former question, do some research on Buffalo Bills defensive lineman Ed Oliver when he played college football at Houston.

I was actually watching the game when Oliver and his coach got into the argument about the jacket. Anyway, he basically gave up on his season because of a knee injury and he didn't want to risk his draft stock. We can only assume if he wasn't hurt he would have played the whole season, so unless you know something that wasn't reported, I'm not sure what your point is.

With the latter question, the answer is likely "no" for two reasons: 1) basketball isn't as physical a sport where players are prone to serious injuries due to what other players do to their bodies (rather than what the players do to their own bodies) and 2) many really good basketball players enter the NBA after 1-2 years of college. In college football, players are restricted from entering the NFL until three years after they graduate high school or if they graduate college early.

Sure, basketball players are less likely to suffer catastrophic injuries. But I can certainly imagine a time when an agent or an uncle or a neighbor gets in a player's ear and says "don't end up like Matt Corral" and then next thing you know, the UNC point guard is gone. And for your other point, that's true but doesn't really apply to this. If a player is an NBA sure-thing, whether he's one year out of high school or four, the fear of getting hurt and losing draft capital is very real.

[Matt Burglund]

It's possible that the D2 superstars could do it. Why not? What if Max Redfield would have opted out of the playoffs for IUP in 2017?Does that sound like an unrealistic scenario to you?

Completely unrealistic.

D2 players have a hard enough time getting attention. Sitting out the playoffs would be a good way to make it worse.

[iupgroundhog]

It does, because almost no D2 players are ever drafted in the 1st round of the NFL Draft, partly because they play at the D2 level and scouts question their level of competition.

I don't see how the round would make a difference. It's all just speculation, anyway, but the 1st time it happens I'll be sure to remind the board of this conversation.

[CHIP72]

Also, because the pursuit of money knows no bounds, it will likely trickle down to lower division football, too. It's possible that the D2 superstars could do it. Why not? What if Max Redfield would have opted out of the playoffs for IUP in 2017? Does that sound like an unrealistic scenario to you?

It does, because almost no D2 players are ever drafted in the 1st round of the NFL Draft, partly because they play at the D2 level and scouts question their level of competition.

[CHIP72]

I wonder how bad this could get. Like, if a player who is believed to be a consensus first-round pick, is on a team that's 3-3 in October, might he pack it in and "prepare for the draft"?

Could it extend to basketball? Could there be a day when a player with an NBA future opts out of the conference and NCAA tournaments to "prepare for the draft"?

With the former question, do some research on Buffalo Bills defensive lineman Ed Oliver when he played college football at Houston.

With the latter question, the answer is likely "no" for two reasons: 1) basketball isn't as physical a sport where players are prone to serious injuries due to what other players do to their bodies (rather than what the players do to their own bodies) and 2) many really good basketball players enter the NBA after 1-2 years of college. In college football, players are restricted from entering the NFL until three years after they graduate high school or if they graduate college early.

[jrshooter]

I know you're right. It just often has a "hired gun" feel to it. I felt that way for the first time when Pitt brought in Max Browne in '17. I do know it's not going away.

[Ship69]

Also, because the pursuit of money knows no bounds, it will likely trickle down to lower division football, too. It's possible that the D2 superstars could do it. Why not? What if Max Redfield would have opted out of the playoffs for IUP in 2017? Does that sound like an unrealistic scenario to you?

I don't see that happening often at the D2 level, especially in the PSAC. These are teams playing largely in small towns and not receiving nearly the attention of FBS athletes. Perhaps the occasional D2 superstar could get some coin. We're just coming off a 9-2 season at Ship during which the local TV stations barely acknowledged our existence.

[iupgroundhog]

Also, because the pursuit of money knows no bounds, it will likely trickle down to lower division football, too. It's possible that the D2 superstars could do it. Why not? What if Max Redfield would have opted out of the playoffs for IUP in 2017? Does that sound like an unrealistic scenario to you?

[ShoNuff]

I wonder how bad this could get. Like, if a player who is believed to be a consensus first-round pick, is on a team that's 3-3 in October, might he pack it in and "prepare for the draft"?

Could it extend to basketball? Could there be a day when a player with an NBA future opts out of the conference and NCAA tournaments to "prepare for the draft"?

Man....ummmm....unfortunately, I believe those scenarios are at least slowly on its way.

[IUPbigINDIANS]

]I wonder how bad this could get. Like, if a player who is believed to be a consensus first-round pick, is on a team that's 3-3 in October, might he pack it in and "prepare for the draft"?[/B]

Could it extend to basketball? Could there be a day when a player with an NBA future opts out of the conference and NCAA tournaments to "prepare for the draft"?

Matter of time. Football is the only sport that requires players to wait 3 years from their high school graduation to be draft eligible. Some of these guys don't need three years of college in order to become a top pick. Trevor Lawrence is a prime example of a guy who should have went after two years but had to stay and get pimped out by the NCAA.

Again, this topic is about the cream of the crop guys. I certainly see your example above happening in the very near future.

What may lessen the burden some is there are now D1 superstars making 7 figures while in college. Being the BMOC, having women galore and a lot of money may entice some of these guys to stick around longer than before. This NIL money is just getting started -- and, it's going to get wild.