OT: D1

[ctrabs74]

I'd agree but the caveat is USC and UCLA bring the whole Hollywood vibe to the BIG. And, now that you can legally throw money around (think Pete C. doing it illegally) ... logic would say USC could quickly come roaring back. Lincoln R. may get Troy rolling again quickly.

USC is a glamor football program (albeit not recently).

I'd assume USC was the main target. UCLA was included in the package.

Lincoln Riley is going to be a rude awakening when USC becomes a mid-pack team in the B1G...

[IUPbigINDIANS]

Agree on WVU. I want to say that Cincinnati applied for ACC membership back when Louisville was added but could be wrong. I also know Villanova applied for membership and was going to move their football to FBS around the same time. But I just don't see the SEC or Big Ten poaching the ACC due to massive exit fee and grant of rights deal. At least not until 2036 as someone mentioned.

But hey, I also don't look at the Big Ten adding USC and UCLA as a "response" to the SEC adding Texas and Oklahoma. If I didn't have a family friend who was an assistant equipment manager at UCLA, I wouldn't know they still played football. And USC has been irrelevant longer than Texas has. That's not me pooing on the Big Ten, but just my lack of respect for those 2 schools.

I'd agree but the caveat is USC and UCLA bring the whole Hollywood vibe to the BIG. And, now that you can legally throw money around (think Pete C. doing it illegally) ... logic would say USC could quickly come roaring back. Lincoln R. may get Troy rolling again quickly.

USC is a glamor football program (albeit not recently).

I'd assume USC was the main target. UCLA was included in the package.

[EastStroud13]

Anyone who the Big Ten and SEC want, they'll get eventually. It might not be this year, but money talks. The Pac, Big 12, and ACC need to be planning accordingly.

[canadarican]

WVU is such an obvious choice for the ACC. I'd also try and poach Cincinnati and UCF.

Agree on WVU. I want to say that Cincinnati applied for ACC membership back when Louisville was added but could be wrong. I also know Villanova applied for membership and was going to move their football to FBS around the same time. But I just don't see the SEC or Big Ten poaching the ACC due to massive exit fee and grant of rights deal. At least not until 2036 as someone mentioned.

But hey, I also don't look at the Big Ten adding USC and UCLA as a "response" to the SEC adding Texas and Oklahoma. If I didn't have a family friend who was an assistant equipment manager at UCLA, I wouldn't know they still played football. And USC has been irrelevant longer than Texas has. That's not me pooing on the Big Ten, but just my lack of respect for those 2 schools.

[IUPbigINDIANS]

Personally, I think there's a better chance the ACC adds some schools rather than loses. Especially why would they leave for the Big 12

WVU is such an obvious choice for the ACC. I'd also try and poach Cincinnati and UCF.

[canadarican]

Personally, I think there's a better chance the ACC adds some schools rather than loses. Especially why would they leave for the Big 12

[iupgroundhog]

I think many could have said the same for Cincinnati 15-20 years ago. I'm not saying Temple can supplant Penn State if they do X, Y, Z - but if they can string together some home run hires that result in on & off field success, they can significantly elevate themselves.

People have been saying that about Temple football since the days when Bill Cosby was on the team.

[ctrabs74]

The hurdle is always KEEPING your home run hires.

The 'P2' will make this even harder as that will be the level every coach strives to reach. Get your stock up at a Temple type and get on the first bus out of town.

P2 will be 'the show'. They will own every major TV market. ESPN and Fox will cover them full force. The rest will get afterthought status.

The current ACC is the interesting item. Those schools are locked up through 2036. The exit fee is gigantic. We'll see if they stick to it.

Sounds like there are just (4) ACC targets - NC, Clemson, Miami and FSU. However, I have to think Duke is appealing despite its dumpster fire football program. NC's population is growing off the charts and Duke is basketball blue blood.

Clemson, FSU and Miami are just natural fits in the SEC. It sounds like North Carolina is the BIG target.

UCLA hoops hasn't exactly been UCLA hoops after Wooden retired. Yes, they had some success with a national title in the 80s or 90s, but they've fallen off the radar up until a few years ago. Does anyone really think Duke is gonna be Duke without Coach K on the sidelines? That might ultimately hurt Duke in the short term (though being an AAU member along with UNC Chapel Hill might help getting UNC and Duke together in the B1G).

[IUPbigINDIANS]

I think many could have said the same for Cincinnati 15-20 years ago. I'm not saying Temple can supplant Penn State if they do X, Y, Z - but if they can string together some home run hires that result in on & off field success, they can significantly elevate themselves.

The hurdle is always KEEPING your home run hires.

The 'P2' will make this even harder as that will be the level every coach strives to reach. Get your stock up at a Temple type and get on the first bus out of town.

P2 will be 'the show'. They will own every major TV market. ESPN and Fox will cover them full force. The rest will get afterthought status.

The current ACC is the interesting item. Those schools are locked up through 2036. The exit fee is gigantic. We'll see if they stick to it.

Sounds like there are just (4) ACC targets - NC, Clemson, Miami and FSU. However, I have to think Duke is appealing despite its dumpster fire football program. NC's population is growing off the charts and Duke is basketball blue blood.

Clemson, FSU and Miami are just natural fits in the SEC. It sounds like North Carolina is the BIG target.

[ctrabs74]

Temple athletics is in purgatory. Foosball will never be an elite D1 program. Basketball is no longer a nationally ranked program and has fallen way behind Villanova.

I'm old enough to remember when it was Temple, then St Joe's running Big Five hoops and Villanova was the afterthought (though, Penn would kinda sneak into the mix once in a while under Fran Dunphy; LaSalle, well, they're the Mansfield of the Big Five hoops scene). Now, I hadn't realized that St. Joe's fired Martelli until he ended up as the interim head coach at Michigan while Juwan Howard was suspended (which shows you how much St Joe's has fallen too).

[Fightingscot82]

Temple athletics is in purgatory. Foosball will never be an elite D1 program. Basketball is no longer a nationally ranked program and has fallen way behind Villanova.

I think many could have said the same for Cincinnati 15-20 years ago. I'm not saying Temple can supplant Penn State if they do X, Y, Z - but if they can string together some home run hires that result in on & off field success, they can significantly elevate themselves.

[IUPNation]

I agree to a degree. Granted, I've never lived in Philly metro so there may be some ignorance here. You said the big difference from my perspective: Cincinnati nailed the last handful of hires. Even hiring Tommy Tuberville was a recruiting & fundraising success in spite of his record. They then made up for it by hiring another coordinator from Ohio State. Maybe Temple could go get Yurcich in a few years?

Temple athletics is in purgatory. Foosball will never be an elite D1 program. Basketball is no longer a nationally ranked program and has fallen way behind Villanova.

[Fightingscot82]

Temple administration totally blew their chance to become what Cincinnati is today. They had every chance to hire Fran Brown after Rhule left for Baylor and they declined and instead hired Collins. Even after Collins left for GT and Diaz after 3 days on the job left for Miami they had a chance to bring Brown in as HC and once again passed him over for the idiot from NIU who left the program as a bottom 20 FBS program. I actually like the Drayton hire he seems to have re-energized the students, players, staff and alumni. Recruiting wise he has done fairly well so far for his 23 class and if they can get 5-7 wins this year it'll help greatly with securing a good 24 class.

I agree to a degree. Granted, I've never lived in Philly metro so there may be some ignorance here. You said the big difference from my perspective: Cincinnati nailed the last handful of hires. Even hiring Tommy Tuberville was a recruiting & fundraising success in spite of his record. They then made up for it by hiring another coordinator from Ohio State. Maybe Temple could go get Yurcich in a few years?

[shipfbfan1]

Boston may be an "appealing TV market" but I'd argue that the Major League Soccer club in Foxborough carries more attention in the Boston market than BC football, which hasn't really been a major national player since the Doug Flutie days. Hockey is the big sport at BC, and they seem quite happy being in Hockey East.

Miami definitely brings their "The U" swag and a major South Florida media market, but don't underestimate the draw FSU is in Orlando and Tampa, which are a pair of Top 20 markets in their own right.

As for Pitt and Temple, the former at least has an ACC football championship to their credit while the latter is barely treading water in the Group of Five's 'Merican conference. I don't think anybody is going to confuse Temple with, say, Virginia Tech.

Temple administration totally blew their chance to become what Cincinnati is today. They had every chance to hire Fran Brown after Rhule left for Baylor and they declined and instead hired Collins. Even after Collins left for GT and Diaz after 3 days on the job left for Miami they had a chance to bring Brown in as HC and once again passed him over for the idiot from NIU who left the program as a bottom 20 FBS program. I actually like the Drayton hire he seems to have re-energized the students, players, staff and alumni. Recruiting wise he has done fairly well so far for his 23 class and if they can get 5-7 wins this year it'll help greatly with securing a good 24 class.

[Fightingscot82]

Follow the TV markets. That is going to drive a lot of whom else gets poached.

Miami will always be appealing. Perhaps that keeps Boston College in conversations.

Pitt isn't appealing at all because PSU already dominates their market. Apply that to Temple, too.

I think if Pitt & WVU are back in the same conference it makes them more appealing.

This also puts another nail in the coffin of the Pitt/Penn State fantasy.