IUP Football 2021

[EdinboroFB]

IF SRU beat Cal and Kutz I'd be worried about a 10-1 SRU team jumping an 8-2 IUP. IUP SOS will take a hit but SRU's is going to go up

[IUPbigINDIANS]

IF SRU beat Cal and Kutz I'd be worried about a 10-1 SRU team jumping an 8-2 IUP. IUP SOS will take a hit but SRU's is going to go up

That is a giant IF getting SRU to 10-1.

[EdinboroFB]

That is a giant IF getting SRU to 10-1.

No argument there. If they lay another egg they could lose this week. Gannon although under achieving has talent to be dangerous any random week. By that I mean should beat Bloom....the seton hill game shouldnt of been as close....same with Edinboro last week.

But probably just safer if SRU gets on track at all to have them just lose to Cal and be done as far as IUP is concerned.

[IUPbigINDIANS]

Here's an interesting stat for those interested in stats:

IUP's four home games this year ...

IUP has given up just 8.5 points per game in the first half. Fantastic. In order of home game, the visitor scored 7, 10, 7 and 10.

However, ... a drastic change occurs after halftime.

In the second half of those games, IUP is giving up 22.5 points -- nearly three times more than the first. In order of home game, the visitor has scored 19, 27, 16 and 28.

It's very odd it has happened in all four home games.

It tells me the guests are making some really good adjustments at the intermission. For starters, anyway.

[CALUPA69]

Here's an interesting stat for those interested in stats:

IUP's four home games this year ...

IUP has given up just 8.5 points per game in the first half. Fantastic. In order of home game, the visitor scored 7, 10, 7 and 10.

However, ... a drastic change occurs after halftime.

In the second half of those games, IUP is giving up 22.5 points -- nearly three times more than the first. In order of home game, the visitor has scored 19, 27, 16 and 28.

It's very odd it has happened in all four home games.

It tells me the guests are making some really good adjustments at the intermission. For starters, anyway.

Wow, that is some seriously deep stat digging, but it seems to take Saturday's collapse from a horrible one-off to a trend, which may be even more disturbing.

[IUP24]

PSAC Expenditures

School	Enrollment	Participants	HC	FT Ast.	PT Ast.	Op. Exp.	Tot. Exp.	Ath.Budget
Bloomsburg	7100	91	1	4	6	118,000	118,000	6,637,000
CAL U	3975	103	1	5	4	234,000	234,000	7,602,000
Clarion	2989	84	1	4	5	89,000	89,000	5,772,000
East Stroudsburg	4928	90	1	4	6	137,000	137,000	7,015,000
Edinboro	2993	79	1	4	2	128,000	128,000	6,536,000
Gannon	2764	100	1	2	7	140,000	140,000	10,055,000
IUP	7655	93	1	5	3	195,000	1,737,000	7,380,000
Kutztown	6443	86	1	3	5	115,000	115,000	7,332,000
Lock Haven	2465	85	1	1	6	102,000	102,000	6,665,000
Mercyhurst	2292	104	1	8	1	182,000	182,000	16,789,000
Millersville	5465	91	1	4	5	130,000	130,000	7,090,000
Seton Hill	1571	103	1	5	3	83,000	83,000	7,915,000
Shepherd	2354	104	1	1	4	220,000	220,000	4,031,000
Shippensburg	4843	88	1	4	5	188,000	188,000	10,404,000
Slippery Rock	6951	86	1	4	6	123,000	123,000	6,727,000
West Chester	13,017	102	1	4	8	112,000	112,000	7,623,000

I just find it incredible how much the enrollment has fallen at IUP. I know that's off topic. But wow. It was 15,000 when I was on campus just a few years ago. That's a massive drop off in 5 years.

[Fightingscot82]

Here's an interesting stat for those interested in stats:

IUP's four home games this year ...

IUP has given up just 8.5 points per game in the first half. Fantastic. In order of home game, the visitor scored 7, 10, 7 and 10.

However, ... a drastic change occurs after halftime.

In the second half of those games, IUP is giving up 22.5 points -- nearly three times more than the first. In order of home game, the visitor has scored 19, 27, 16 and 28.

It's very odd it has happened in all four home games.

It tells me the guests are making some really good adjustments at the intermission. For starters, anyway.

That was the case at Edinboro under Bradford. Could also be conditioning - players are gassed. Nobody will ever admit to that though. Most likely a combination of the two.

[IUPbigINDIANS]

That was the case at Edinboro under Bradford. Could also be conditioning - players are gassed. Nobody will ever admit to that though. Most likely a combination of the two.

In road games, IUP is giving up 9 points in the first half and just 9.33 in the second half.

Naturally, you can point out they've played much better teams at home (Kutztown, Shepherd, Gannon and California) compared to road games (Mercyhurst, Clarion and Slippery Rock). But, let's recall it wasn't long ago most on here thought Slippery Rock's offense was The Greatest Show on Turf reborn.

[complaint_hopeful]

Regional rankings are out. As I suspected, they're usually different than fans think they will be.

Bentley is 1.
Kutztown is 2.
Shepherd is 3.
Cal is 4.
IUP is 7.
Slippery Rock is 8.

IUP should be in good shape at 7 as long as they don't lose again.

[complaint_hopeful]

I just find it incredible how much the enrollment has fallen at IUP. I know that's off topic. But wow. It was 15,000 when I was on campus just a few years ago. That's a massive drop off in 5 years.

Those enrollment numbers look weird to me. They're possibly FTE Undergrad or something like that. ie excluding Grad. <-- That's my guess.

[IUP24]

Those enrollment numbers look weird to me. They're possibly FTE Undergrad or something like that. ie excluding Grad. <-- That's my guess.

The undergraduate enrollment was between 12,000-15,000 during the four years I was on campus. This number is the undergraduate enrollment. It's confirming what I said... There's been a cataclysmic drop off in enrollment at IUP. About 50% less from the high water mark of 2012 or 2013 where there were just over 15,000 students on campus. They aren't even filling up all the dorms. Two years ago, I don't even believed they opened every residence hall.

[Fightingscot82]

I just find it incredible how much the enrollment has fallen at IUP. I know that's off topic. But wow. It was 15,000 when I was on campus just a few years ago. That's a massive drop off in 5 years.

Those are undergrads only and maybe FTE not total individual students like we traditionally think. Athletic reporting is screwing and uses abnormal numbers. For example, APR is even more stupid than Graduation Rate calculation.

When IUP was at 15,000 was everyone's peak around 2010. They're now down to 9,300 hence the need to make major cuts. It was a perfect storm of birth rate peak plus booming adult enrollment from the recession. Its now way down and in my opinion the schools not down as much have attracted students by looking more successful & attractive than the ones down even more that look less successful & attractive whether its SRU & WCU stealing from other PASSHE schools or private schools discounting their sticker price heavily for average students. From what I've been told, Pitt and Penn State branches are down similarly while the main campuses are up slightly (which gets all the news coverage).

[IUPbigINDIANS]

The undergraduate enrollment was between 12,000-15,000 during the four years I was on campus. This number is the undergraduate enrollment. It's confirming what I said... There's been a cataclysmic drop off in enrollment at IUP. About 50% less from the high water mark of 2012 or 2013 where there were just over 15,000 students on campus. They aren't even filling up all the dorms. Two years ago, I don't even believed they opened every residence hall.

It's changed the whole town of Indiana. Very few students are living outside of that immediate campus circumference. The slum lord market has vanished. There used to be a couple trashy college houses on most streets in the wide vicinity of campus. They've all been bought up by flippers, renovated, and sold as single-family residences. Those old college houses that remain are largely all sitting vacant.

[Iupgh]

PSAC Expenditures

School	Enrollment	Participants	HC	FT Ast.	PT Ast.	Op. Exp.	Tot. Exp.	Ath.Budget
Bloomsburg	7100	91	1	4	6	118,000	118,000	6,637,000
CAL U	3975	103	1	5	4	234,000	234,000	7,602,000
Clarion	2989	84	1	4	5	89,000	89,000	5,772,000
East Stroudsburg	4928	90	1	4	6	137,000	137,000	7,015,000
Edinboro	2993	79	1	4	2	128,000	128,000	6,536,000
Gannon	2764	100	1	2	7	140,000	140,000	10,055,000
IUP	7655	93	1	5	3	195,000	1,737,000	7,380,000
Kutztown	6443	86	1	3	5	115,000	115,000	7,332,000
Lock Haven	2465	85	1	1	6	102,000	102,000	6,665,000
Mercyhurst	2292	104	1	8	1	182,000	182,000	16,789,000
Millersville	5465	91	1	4	5	130,000	130,000	7,090,000
Seton Hill	1571	103	1	5	3	83,000	83,000	7,915,000
Shepherd	2354	104	1	1	4	220,000	220,000	4,031,000
Shippensburg	4843	88	1	4	5	188,000	188,000	10,404,000
Slippery Rock	6951	86	1	4	6	123,000	123,000	6,727,000
West Chester	13,017	102	1	4	8	112,000	112,000	7,623,000

Must be nice to coach at Mercyhurst. Yeesh

[complaint_hopeful]

It's changed the whole town of Indiana. Very few students are living outside of that immediate campus circumference. The slum lord market has vanished. There used to be a couple trashy college houses on most streets in the wide vicinity of campus. They've all been bought up by flippers, renovated, and sold as single-family residences. Those old college houses that remain are largely all sitting vacant.

Yep. It almost feels like the level schools are at now is near their norm and that those 2010 numbers were just a huge bubble...that broke. Maybe the numbers now are slightly lower than what the norm should be because of cost, but probably not drastically low. Of course, lower the price and more students would go, but the state funding is huge in that.

The schools were for a lot of years built to handle the demand of their peak years though, which was the issue. So now they're shedding that where they can, but Unions play a role and you'd can't just tear down a building to avoid the debt...as we all know.