THE IUP Football Thread

[IUPbigINDIANS]

Sheesh! A lot has happened in the last 24 hours here. Must be July with not much else to talk about.

SR 1 is, for the most part, not very competitive once the representative makes the semi-finals. That’s no secret and the numbers speak for themselves. There are a lot of reasons for it ranging from money, allowable scholarships (PSAC), recruiting range (see money), competition for athletes, etc. It is what it is. The best D2 football is played in other places in the country. There have been some near misses out of SR 1, but they’ve been few and far between. Heck, those Ferris State teams from 2-3 years ago could have beaten some lower level D1 teams. The 2021 team may have been the best D2 team I ever saw.

It is what it is. You get what you pay for and SR 1 schools aren’t paying what the others are, or in some cases are only allowed to invest so much. Interestingly, the portal might level the playing field a little as some of the better players in the dominant programs make the jump to D1, but we’ll see over the next few years if there’s much impact.

And BINGO was his name ...

Our best teams all lack depth. It's real simple. Our first 25-30 players can stack up. By November, several of them are gone. What remains is a gigantic drop-off in talent.

[WarriorVoice]

Ohhh its information you want.
First lets agree population causes congestion, whether its on the roads, airports or # of schools.
So now the information:
Per Google in 2022 these states had the following populations.
PA: 12.97
KS 2.94
MO 6.18
OK 4.02
NE 1.97 That gives the bottom 4 states a combined total population of 15.11.

Now assuming birth rates are static across the country and the number of 18 year olds in these states is equally proportioned between all states then it becomes a matter of division. How many D2 football schools are in PA and how many are in the bottom 4. Well since you asked, Per Google and Field Level there are 17 D2 Football schools in PA. And in the other 4 combined there are 24. KS 4, MO 9 OK 8, NE 3

So now when you divide the population of the states by the number of D2 schools in those states you get the following.
12.97/ 17 = 762,941 people per college
15.11/ 24 = 629,583 people per college

So the congestion per college is actually greater here.

I await your reply backing up your position. Now if you want to talk about more scholly's, SR3 being mostly fully funded, or the fact that a good part of the SR3 region is willing to go coast to coast to find the right kid or get their foot in the door at a couple of high schools then yea we can chat about that. But to just put a post with no stats behind it and a blanket statement just because you think the world ends at the PA/OH line is well ...now you have some information.

Great job of providing some stats. Whether they are relevant is open to debate. For starters, you should be measuring college age students instead of total population...Secondly, SR1 is more than just PA, so your numbers are not complete. You should also consider all divisions of athletics. Nice try though.

[EyeoftheHawk]

Sheesh! A lot has happened in the last 24 hours here. Must be July with not much else to talk about.

SR 1 is, for the most part, not very competitive once the representative makes the semi-finals. That’s no secret and the numbers speak for themselves. There are a lot of reasons for it ranging from money, allowable scholarships (PSAC), recruiting range (see money), competition for athletes, etc. It is what it is. The best D2 football is played in other places in the country. There have been some near misses out of SR 1, but they’ve been few and far between. Heck, those Ferris State teams from 2-3 years ago could have beaten some lower level D1 teams. The 2021 team may have been the best D2 team I ever saw.

It is what it is. You get what you pay for and SR 1 schools aren’t paying what the others are, or in some cases are only allowed to invest so much. Interestingly, the portal might level the playing field a little as some of the better players in the dominant programs make the jump to D1, but we’ll see over the next few years if there’s much impact.

[Wallst]

So when will only of those cowardly MIAA schools going to take a road game in PA. Your clap for credit schools always want us to be the visitor. Why are MIAA schools so afraid to play in the Northeast? Not one MIAA school has ever set foot in Pennsylvania.

:-)

🤣😂 nicely done. My guess would be as soon as the NCAA seeds an SR1 higher 8n the semifinals you will get a visit from an SR3 team.

In all seriousness, it's a shame budgets at this level are so tight. I'd love to play West Florida, you guys and a couple others in a home and home series. We are in the first year if that arrangement with Ferris State. When you only get one OOC game its hard to do much and you want to play the best for SOS reasons win or lose. Even if Ferris thumps us we will have a loss to an 11-0 or 10-1 team. If we run tbe table or only lose 1 other game, hard to keep us out of the playoffs.

[IUPNation]

Ohhh its information you want.
First lets agree population causes congestion, whether its on the roads, airports or # of schools.
So now the information:
Per Google in 2022 these states had the following populations.
PA: 12.97
KS 2.94
MO 6.18
OK 4.02
NE 1.97 That gives the bottom 4 states a combined total population of 15.11.

Now assuming birth rates are static across the country and the number of 18 year olds in these states is equally proportioned between all states then it becomes a matter of division. How many D2 football schools are in PA and how many are in the bottom 4. Well since you asked, Per Google and Field Level there are 17 D2 Football schools in PA. And in the other 4 combined there are 24. KS 4, MO 9 OK 8, NE 3

So now when you divide the population of the states by the number of D2 schools in those states you get the following.
12.97/ 17 = 762,941 people per college
15.11/ 24 = 629,583 people per college

So the congestion per college is actually greater here.

I await your reply backing up your position. Now if you want to talk about more scholly's, SR3 being mostly fully funded, or the fact that a good part of the SR3 region is willing to go coast to coast to find the right kid or get their foot in the door at a couple of high schools then yea we can chat about that. But to just put a post with no stats behind it and a blanket statement just because you think the world ends at the PA/OH line is well ...now you have some information.

So when will only of those cowardly MIAA schools going to take a road game in PA. Your clap for credit schools always want us to be the visitor. Why are MIAA schools so afraid to play in the Northeast? Not one MIAA school has ever set foot in Pennsylvania.

:-)

[KleShreen]

I’m perpetuating nothing and have plenty thick skin. Never once made fun of anyone on here for being “offended.� Of course I also don’t spend all day here posting because I don’t live vicariously through my alma maters athletics. My point still stands, Brandon’s an old hypocrite and he’s seen fit to let this retard run rampant all over his board. Shouldn’t be surprised given their values are aligned.

I'm sorry?

First off, it's shameful you'd sit here and try and denigrate the man who founded and runs this website and is currently battling a health issue that nobody here wishes they will ever have to experience.

Secondly, calling anyone that word is incredibly offensive.

Thirdly, exactly what "values" of Brandon and nation are aligned?

[iupgroundhog]

Now this is a solid debate.. Although I highly doubt even the bigger teams in PSAC are going after many players who end up in Pitt or Penn State but I'm sure you lose a couple to App State or someone like that. I know Pitt is routinely in the mix vs all the D1 Directional Illinois schools and SEMO, UT-Martin, Ark Pine Bluff etc. I'm also not sure what the JUCO penetration is in SR1. I know we don't have that many JuCo's but they are really really good. I'm done with my math today on the SR1 vs SR3 schools, I'll post what i found in just a few minutes. If someone else wants to look at the NIAA, D3 etc, have at it.

I'm not researching this. I, too, have to do math today but it's stuff they actually pay me for.

[Wallst]

SR1 includes WV, (some) MD, (most) Ohio, and the PA schools.

You're numbers are going to look quite different when they are all added in.

SR1 is the PSAC, GMAC and MEC.

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So SR1 is PSAC, GMAC, MEC, NE10 = 43 teams
SR3 is MIAA, GLIAC GLVC GAC = 39 teams

Population in 2022 per region SR1 77.12 states included PA, MA, NH, CT, NY, MD, KY, OH, MI 20 mil people in NY only 1 D2 team. Someone should be kicking in those doors. FYI I didn't include NC since I'm pretty sure UNC Pembroke is gone as of this year. 77.12/ 43 = 1,793,488 per school

Population in 2022 in SR3 states included: KS, MO, NE, OK, MI, IA, IN, IL, AR total population 50.8 50.8/ 43 = 1,302,564

Nearly 500k per school more congestion in SR3. For S and G's if you take NY out of it and remove Pace which drops SR1 down to 42 teams it leaves a population of 57.44/ 42 = 1,367,619 Still 65k more.

[Wallst]

The competition for players is not just within D2. It's also D3 and D1. That's where the difference really becomes pronounced.

Now this is a solid debate.. Although I highly doubt even the bigger teams in PSAC are going after many players who end up in Pitt or Penn State but I'm sure you lose a couple to App State or someone like that. I know Pitt is routinely in the mix vs all the D1 Directional Illinois schools and SEMO, UT-Martin, Ark Pine Bluff etc. I'm also not sure what the JUCO penetration is in SR1. I know we don't have that many JuCo's but they are really really good. I'm done with my math today on the SR1 vs SR3 schools, I'll post what i found in just a few minutes. If someone else wants to look at the NIAA, D3 etc, have at it.

[IUPbigINDIANS]

The competition for players is not just within D2. It's also D3 and D1. That's where the difference really becomes pronounced.

It's something in Western PA.

The D1 FCS programs (St. Francis, Duquesne and Robert Morris) recruit so many of the same players as IUP and Slippery Rock. We also lose some players (who could be really good in D2) that choose to instead be preferred walk-ons at Penn State, WVU or Pitt. Granted, some of them eventually get tired of being tackling dummies and do come to our teams.

[iupgroundhog]

Ohhh its information you want.
First lets agree population causes congestion, whether its on the roads, airports or # of schools.
So now the information:
Per Google in 2022 these states had the following populations.
PA: 12.97
KS 2.94
MO 6.18
OK 4.02
NE 1.97 That gives the bottom 4 states a combined total population of 15.11.

Now assuming birth rates are static across the country and the number of 18 year olds in these states is equally proportioned between all states then it becomes a matter of division. How many D2 football schools are in PA and how many are in the bottom 4. Well since you asked, Per Google and Field Level there are 17 D2 Football schools in PA. And in the other 4 combined there are 24. KS 4, MO 9 OK 8, NE 3

So now when you divide the population of the states by the number of D2 schools in those states you get the following.
12.97/ 17 = 762,941 people per college
15.11/ 24 = 629,583 people per college

So the congestion per college is actually greater here.

I await your reply backing up your position. Now if you want to talk about more scholly's, SR3 being mostly fully funded, or the fact that a good part of the SR3 region is willing to go coast to coast to find the right kid or get their foot in the door at a couple of high schools then yea we can chat about that. But to just put a post with no stats behind it and a blanket statement just because you think the world ends at the PA/OH line is well ...now you have some information.

The competition for players is not just within D2. It's also D3 and D1. That's where the difference really becomes pronounced.

[Wallst]

SR1 includes WV, (some) MD, (most) Ohio, and the PA schools.

You're numbers are going to look quite different when they are all added in.

SR1 is the PSAC, GMAC and MEC.

fair enough i was doing PSAC vs MIAA. I'm in meetings for most of the rest ot the day but will try and get that knocked out late tonight or early tomorrow. To be honest I was surprised when I ran the numbers that the MIAA is 130k more congested per school than the PSAC. Unless I'm mistaken I think the NE-10 is SR1 as well. New Haven was in the Regional Rankings last year as part of SR1 and made the playoffs I believe on EA. Reminding myself on last years bracket Virginia Union got shuffled to SR1 and Shepherd to SR2. Let me know if I'm correct so we can look at all the states involved correctly.

[IUPbigINDIANS]

Ohhh its information you want.
First lets agree population causes congestion, whether its on the roads, airports or # of schools.
So now the information:
Per Google in 2022 these states had the following populations.
PA: 12.97
KS 2.94
MO 6.18
OK 4.02
NE 1.97 That gives the bottom 4 states a combined total population of 15.11.

Now assuming birth rates are static across the country and the number of 18 year olds in these states is equally proportioned between all states then it becomes a matter of division. How many D2 football schools are in PA and how many are in the bottom 4. Well since you asked, Per Google and Field Level there are 17 D2 Football schools in PA. And in the other 4 combined there are 24. KS 4, MO 9 OK 8, NE 3

So now when you divide the population of the states by the number of D2 schools in those states you get the following.
12.97/ 17 = 762,941 people per college
15.11/ 24 = 629,583 people per college

So the congestion per college is actually greater here.

I await your reply backing up your position. Now if you want to talk about more scholly's, SR3 being mostly fully funded, or the fact that a good part of the SR3 region is willing to go coast to coast to find the right kid or get their foot in the door at a couple of high schools then yea we can chat about that. But to just put a post with no stats behind it and a blanket statement just because you think the world ends at the PA/OH line is well ...now you have some information.

SR1 includes WV, (some) MD, (most) Ohio, and the PA schools.

You're numbers are going to look quite different when they are all added in.

SR1 is the PSAC, GMAC and MEC.

[Wallst]

SR 1 is the most congested region in the country. If you had half of the amount of institutions in your region as there are in SR 1, you might be better informed...

Ohhh its information you want.
First lets agree population causes congestion, whether its on the roads, airports or # of schools.
So now the information:
Per Google in 2022 these states had the following populations.
PA: 12.97
KS 2.94
MO 6.18
OK 4.02
NE 1.97 That gives the bottom 4 states a combined total population of 15.11.

Now assuming birth rates are static across the country and the number of 18 year olds in these states is equally proportioned between all states then it becomes a matter of division. How many D2 football schools are in PA and how many are in the bottom 4. Well since you asked, Per Google and Field Level there are 17 D2 Football schools in PA. And in the other 4 combined there are 24. KS 4, MO 9 OK 8, NE 3

So now when you divide the population of the states by the number of D2 schools in those states you get the following.
12.97/ 17 = 762,941 people per college
15.11/ 24 = 629,583 people per college

So the congestion per college is actually greater here.

I await your reply backing up your position. Now if you want to talk about more scholly's, SR3 being mostly fully funded, or the fact that a good part of the SR3 region is willing to go coast to coast to find the right kid or get their foot in the door at a couple of high schools then yea we can chat about that. But to just put a post with no stats behind it and a blanket statement just because you think the world ends at the PA/OH line is well ...now you have some information.

[WarriorVoice]

Now when does football start and we get to watch a couple teams from SR1 rise up the polls only to get decimated in the semifinals? Again.

SR 1 is the most congested region in the country. If you had half of the amount of institutions in your region as there are in SR 1, you might be better informed...