Even if Torts wanted to travel beyond the region and play the big dogs in D2....the bean counters would squash it.
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Those non conference games were the best. National spotlight games. Fun times!
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Originally posted by EyeoftheHawk View Post
Loved those games. That Catawba game at Miller was unreal. It had it all from the disastrous start to the lightning delay to the huge IUP comeback win. It was a night game too, and I think it was a pretty late night by the time the dust settled. I remember watching Catawba walk out with looks on their faces like they had just seen a ghost.
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Originally posted by IUPbigINDIANS View Post
Those games were cool for the actual football fans. I remember when IUP played Catawba (when they were a power) and also Ferris State ... and 98% of campus and fans basically said "who the F are these guys" as they'd never heard of them. So, to many it was just another game on another Saturday.
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Originally posted by Crimsonhawkfanatic View Post
Why do you keep trying to insult a school that has beat “you’re school” 8 times in the last 10 years? All I have to say is 41-0 LOL… typical IUP hater.
I fully expect a Shippensburg insult. Thankfully, our personal worth is not always dictated by how much our alma mater wins or loses football games.
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Originally posted by IUPbigINDIANS View Post
Reminds me of when Penn State joined the Big 10 and wanted to form a rivalry with Minnesota and Michigan State. I don't think anybody bought in to it.
I suppose definitions of rivalries vary.
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Originally posted by IUPbigINDIANS View Post
Reminds me of when Penn State joined the Big 10 and wanted to form a rivalry with Minnesota and Michigan State. I don't think anybody bought in to it.
I suppose definitions of rivalries vary.
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Originally posted by Matt Burglund View Post
Sure you do. But it takes two to tango. When one side says "you're our rival" and the other one says "meh" it's more of a spat than a rivalry.
Exhibit A: The Civil Con FLiCT
Eagles fans will say the Cowturds are our biggest rival. Cowturds “fans” say otherwise.
Yet the Eagles have beaten the Turds more times than any other team in the NFL. So for them to say we aren’t their rival is kind of cute. Oh Yeah…Dallas sucks!
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Originally posted by IUPbigINDIANS View Post98% of campus and fans basically said "who the F are these guys" as they'd never heard of them.
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Originally posted by iupgroundhog View Post
There are traditional rivalries that are institutionalized (as described by FightingScot82) such as the Lehigh/Lafayette game, Army/Navy, etc. I think you could put The Coal Bowl in that category. There is something with a history that is on the line.
Rivalries all have to do with creating excitement and the pregame build-up. Back in the Cignetti late 80's and 90's, what was exciting was IUP going outside of the PSAC and playing against strong programs from other regions - his vision was more of a national D2 competitive level (regionalization of D2 made that obsolete, anyway). In those years, our rivals were schools like GVSU, SVSU, Towson, and New Haven. If you remember those series, it was a little more exciting than playing the SHU's of the world.
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Originally posted by Matt Burglund View Post
You’ve stated it well, I think. The best way I can describe it to people is that Slippery Rock hated IUP and IUP didn’t care. That made Slippery Rock hate IUP even more.
I’ve heard stories of certain SRU coaches refusing to say the letters “I, U and P” and instead use some variation of the old Woody Hayes line, “that school down south.” The SRU paper has more than once over the years, I believe, called it the D2 version of Michigan-Ohio State. Hell, in most cases, Slippery Rock calls IUP “Indiana” just because.
But for all those years Frank had things humming, IUP never picked anyone as a rival.
I remember when Lou Tepper was hired at IUP. He said that at Edinboro, they used part of every spring practice to prepare for IUP that fall. The reasoning was that nobody could truly call themselves the best of the PSAC West unless you beat IUP. He called it their “Red-letter game.”
Rivalries all have to do with creating excitement and the pregame build-up. Back in the Cignetti late 80's and 90's, what was exciting was IUP going outside of the PSAC and playing against strong programs from other regions - his vision was more of a national D2 competitive level (regionalization of D2 made that obsolete, anyway). In those years, our rivals were schools like GVSU, SVSU, Towson, and New Haven. If you remember those series, it was a little more exciting than playing the SHU's of the world.
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Originally posted by Matt Burglund View Post
Sure you do. But it takes two to tango. When one side says "you're our rival" and the other one says "meh" it's more of a spat than a rivalry.
Exhibit A: The Civil Con FLiCT
Reminds me of when Penn State joined the Big 10 and wanted to form a rivalry with Minnesota and Michigan State. I don't think anybody bought in to it.
I suppose definitions of rivalries vary.
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Originally posted by IUPbigINDIANS View PostWell, I don't think you really get to 'pick' your rival.
Exhibit A: The Civil Con FLiCT
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Originally posted by Matt Burglund View Post
You’ve stated it well, I think. The best way I can describe it to people is that Slippery Rock hated IUP and IUP didn’t care. That made Slippery Rock hate IUP even more.
I’ve heard stories of certain SRU coaches refusing to say the letters “I, U and P” and instead use some variation of the old Woody Hayes line, “that school down south.” The SRU paper has more than once over the years, I believe, called it the D2 version of Michigan-Ohio State. Hell, in most cases, Slippery Rock calls IUP “Indiana” just because.
But for all those years Frank had things humming, IUP never picked anyone as a rival.
I remember when Lou Tepper was hired at IUP. He said that at Edinboro, they used part of every spring practice to prepare for IUP that fall. The reasoning was that nobody could truly call themselves the best of the PSAC West unless you beat IUP. He called it their “Red-letter game.”
Well, I don't think you really get to 'pick' your rival. It kind of happens naturally. And, they don't all last forever.
I think back to the 90s when IUP and Cal had wars on the basketball court. They were both incredible programs. They both knew it. Both had eccentric coaches. The KCAC is grand and IUP is rocking and rolling, but the basketball games of that era are still my favorite. When Cal came to town in that era you couldn't move in the Memorial Field House. It was the same down there at Hamer Hall. Gary Edwards was hated down there. Bill Brown was hated here. It was the same in the years prior with Kurt Kanaskie and Jim Boone.
The KCAC gets larger crowds today, but comes nowhere close to the noise and atmosphere those games generated. But, when Angelo took over down there and shifted all the money to football, Cal's basketball program quickly became very mediocre. It's on the rise again after nearly 20 years of being average. The heated rivalry died as IUP dominated the series. It's kind of on its way back but the large following Cal once had down there is long gone. Maybe they can get it back.
These days, Mercyhurst is the big basketball rivalry.
I'd say, modern time, SRU and Cal are certainly the football rivalries. That said, I think most IUP fans think that more because they are just always in the way of IUP's chase to a division title. I don't think most 'hate' them the way IUP/Cal was back in the basketball days. They're just big games to the average IUP fan. Both equal in my mind. You get a sense of hatred on this board, sure, but there's so few of us on here -- and even fewer IUP fans who read this crap. I mean, Mercyhurst and SRU both had about the same gate at Miller Stadium this year.
Sure, there have been instances to draw hate between IUP and SRU. The 1999 Homecoming game. The 1999 Rock Dance. The 2000 Rock Dance Part 2 (sequels are never as good). But, that stuff was a long, long time ago.
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Originally posted by IUPbigINDIANS View Post
I think they teach IUP hate at SRU freshmen orientation. I never got the same sense from IUP students. Perhaps mostly because they don't care.
It's big among the athletes. In my era it was a game most looked forward to watching but it wasn't like it's perceived to be now. Of course, Frank owned Dr. Evil record-wise.
When IUP takes the field at SRU, it's (by D2 standards) a thunderous amount of booing and F IUP chants. When SRU comes out at Miller ... it's the same as Clarion coming out at Miller.
It's heated on here among IUP fans but I don't see it many other places.
When I was at Edinboro, it was a little more fun to talk trash at IUP. Maybe like poking the bear? McComb would give Gary Edwards so much crap. I was at the first game with Tepper vs Edinboro and I'd describe it as a Bronx cheer (understandably so).
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