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Originally posted by Fightingscot82 View PostHarry Adieyefeh, RB, Shepherd (3 years remaining)
Garrett Cox, LB, Millersville (1 year remaining)
Quadir Jacobs, DT, Millersville (2 years remaining)
Isreal Reed, QB, Slippery Rock (1 year remaining)
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Originally posted by TheBigCat2192 View Post
Cox was 1st-team East both of the last two years so that one could sting. He’s going to be a redshirt senior next year so I wonder if he’s hoping to move up for his final season.
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Originally posted by Ship69 View Post
There seems to be something of a pattern to players who have a year remaining moving on if their team hasn't had a good season. While it's understandable from the player's standpoint, it's gotta be devastating as a coach to watch a player you've been working with 2-3 years decide to spend what should be his best season elsewhere.
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Originally posted by Ship69 View Post
There seems to be something of a pattern to players who have a year remaining moving on if their team hasn't had a good season. While it's understandable from the player's standpoint, it's gotta be devastating as a coach to watch a player you've been working with 2-3 years decide to spend what should be his best season elsewhere.
Coaches do that to players the second a better job comes along.
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Originally posted by IUPbigINDIANS View Post
Tough sh!t, as they say.
Coaches do that to players the second a better job comes along.
With regard to the PSAC, I feel for programs like Millersville that in my view had a pretty good year and had something to build on. I watched a few of their games and they were very competitive even in loses. They gave Slippery Rock all they could handle. I believe it was Clarion that got decimated last year. I guess on the flip side you could argue that Lock Haven used the portal to quickly get back to respectability, but that’s probably going to be hard to sustain. The coaches who are best known for developing players and building sustainable programs will be passed over for those who know how to navigate the portal to reload instead of rebuild.
I feel like such an old man typing this, LOL.
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Originally posted by IUPbigINDIANS View Post
Tough sh!t, as they say.
Coaches do that to players the second a better job comes along.
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Originally posted by Ship69 View Post
OK, since this is the second reply in this vein I feel a response is necessary. Kids should be able to go to school where they want. I have no problem with that. I've been on Earth a few years and am well aware of what coaches have done during that time. And I think the fact that some D1 coaches are the highest paid public employees salaries in their states is a ridiculous distortion of priorities. But that doesn't make it any less devastating when the shoe is on the other foot, and the experience as a fan of knowing some of your best players are gone every time you have a down year is not wonderful. I already am about over with D1 football, and I hope I don't get to that point with the lower levels of the game.
FBS salaries are what they are because of the money. About a decade ago the compensation structure switched to a cut of the gross revenue instead of what was a fair market salary. And a lot of that money isn't exactly university or state money. When you look at the lists, only about $500k is paid by the school and every other dime comes from clothing deals, TV revenue, boosters, etc. The school just acts as a pass through agent. The "win and leave or be fired" cycle has only allowed more money to be taken from the non-revenue sports and into football coaching staff salary pools.
The purity of D2 is that there isn't much money; nobody is getting rich from D2 football. Scholarships are currency but so are little things like uniforms, locker rooms, turf designs, and social media swagger. Players are still students because they go through all the other motions as other students. There's virtually no celebrity status because so few care or pay attention LOL. The scholarships are very important too because for a lot of these players, those football scholarships make college affordable and for many free when combined with government grants.
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Originally posted by Ship69 View Post
OK, since this is the second reply in this vein I feel a response is necessary. Kids should be able to go to school where they want. I have no problem with that. I've been on Earth a few years and am well aware of what coaches have done during that time. And I think the fact that some D1 coaches are the highest paid public employees salaries in their states is a ridiculous distortion of priorities. But that doesn't make it any less devastating when the shoe is on the other foot, and the experience as a fan of knowing some of your best players are gone every time you have a down year is not wonderful. I already am about over with D1 football, and I hope I don't get to that point with the lower levels of the game.
We'll see them move up the program chain within the D2 ranks. If they can get more money and go to a better program, it makes sense. These kids know which teams will be strong next year. Some, of course, will land offers to go up. As we've seen, that usually means they'll 'go up' and be a deep depth guy and mostly ride pine.
Don't forget some of these coaches say all the right things on media day, etc., but are total ego-monster, jackasses behind closed doors (even at this lower level).
The kids didn't create this new monster. They are just playing by the new rules.
These older coaches are struggling to grasp that recruiting is now a 24-7-365 project (which includes the kids on your own team).
The PSAC West (men's hoops) has been decimated the past two off-seasons with stars leaving to move up. IUP has lost its best player two straight years. The coaches, including Lombardi, have not reacted to it well. This crap is going to run many of the older coaches out early.
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Originally posted by IUPbigINDIANS View Post
A lot of these kids listed in this thread won't end up in D1. In fact, that's probably not even the goal for most of them.
We'll see them move up the program chain within the D2 ranks. If they can get more money and go to a better program, it makes sense. These kids know which teams will be strong next year. Some, of course, will land offers to go up. As we've seen, that usually means they'll 'go up' and be a deep depth guy and mostly ride pine.
Don't forget some of these coaches say all the right things on media day, etc., but are total ego-monster, jackasses behind closed doors (even at this lower level).
The kids didn't create this new monster. They are just playing by the new rules.
These older coaches are struggling to grasp that recruiting is now a 24-7-365 project (which includes the kids on your own team).
The PSAC West (men's hoops) has been decimated the past two off-seasons with stars leaving to move up. IUP has lost its best player two straight years. The coaches, including Lombardi, have not reacted to it well. This crap is going to run many of the older coaches out early.
You've been great that a good number of them end up nowhere. And they end up leaving college altogether.
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Originally posted by IUPbigINDIANS View Post
A lot of these kids listed in this thread won't end up in D1. In fact, that's probably not even the goal for most of them.
We'll see them move up the program chain within the D2 ranks. If they can get more money and go to a better program, it makes sense. These kids know which teams will be strong next year. Some, of course, will land offers to go up. As we've seen, that usually means they'll 'go up' and be a deep depth guy and mostly ride pine.
Don't forget some of these coaches say all the right things on media day, etc., but are total ego-monster, jackasses behind closed doors (even at this lower level).
The kids didn't create this new monster. They are just playing by the new rules.
These older coaches are struggling to grasp that recruiting is now a 24-7-365 project (which includes the kids on your own team).
The PSAC West (men's hoops) has been decimated the past two off-seasons with stars leaving to move up. IUP has lost its best player two straight years. The coaches, including Lombardi, have not reacted to it well. This crap is going to run many of the older coaches out early.
Right now I'm sincerely worried about the future of our football program at Ship and I don't think I'm alone in that. It's never looked so dire under Mac. The Raiders have gone from being one of the PSAC's better offensive teams with QBs such as Zac Zulli, Ryan Zapoticky, and Brycen Mussina in recent years to a team that was dead last in offense in the league this year. The 5-6 team from 2022 lost its two best offensive players to transfer, and this year's 3-8 team already has an all-PSAC defensive lineman ( a key to the league's third-best rushing defense), a starter on the o-line, and a big contributor at DE in the portal. Next year will likely be the third season in a row they'll have a bunch of underclassmen on the o-line, and that just doesn't get it done. It seems to be a rinse and repeat cycle at this point. Maybe Mac can pull off a big transfer turnaround or maybe not. We'll see. Has the new wave passed Mac by? I have no idea and can't really make a judgment about the situation.
Chris Fite in the basketball program has done a great job of establishing a class culture and so far has not lost a single key player to transfer over the past several years, although I'm sure it is inevitable he will at some point. But it's also true that he has had a lot of success in recent years, which makes it easier on the kids who want to stay. I was even somewhat worried there this year as the team lost about 80 percent of its output to graduation, but I'm encouraged by the way the young men have pulled together and although they'll likely take some lumps in December I think it will be a competitive team as the season goes on.
This has been going on in professional sports for quite a while, and I guess it's filtered down to the colleges. Basically in a lot of cases you have to accept that your teams are more and more a bunch of hired mercenaries, and you often don't know who the mercenaries will be from year to year. I can still accept that better at the D2 level because as fightingscot pointed out above the money is not as big of a factor and more of the players are just in it because they love to play.
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Originally posted by Fightingscot82 View Post
The allure of the FBS grad transfer year is strong. Its most likely free and puts off adulthood one more year. Edinboro had two very good players be successful: Walter Fletcher became a utility player at Ball State and parlayed that into a CFL career; Vitaliy Gurman became an instant starter at Toledo and made it through two NFL camps and a practice squad season. Both are things to tell grandkids about. I don't like it but I can't blame them.
You've been great that a good number of them end up nowhere. And they end up leaving college altogether.
I'd guess a lot of these new football entries will just end up at IUP, Slippery Rock, Shepherd, etc. As we continue to see, the bottom of the PSAC will work as a football feeder system.
I really thought IUP Football was going to lose a couple but to Tort's credit they really believe they'll be pretty strong next year. They have a huge senior class next year and several years of large high school classes working their way up (when everybody was taking mass transfers Tort kept taking large high school classes). He also has money to spend this off-season to plug a few holes out of the portal.
Long story short, the days of our era are long gone.
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