Fire Rich Wright

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I think 2011 WU came the closest if Pitt hadn't beaten them in the early rounds. I thought they were the toughest playoff team Pitt faced that year by a pretty wide margin.

It's tough to tell because they were facing a Pitt staff from the same coaching tree with the same tricks and tendencies that they had been showing every year since the late 80s.

I'm not sold on Schurig as a coach who can beat a team the first time they play them when that team has about the same talent level as them.

I feel the same way about Higgins.

That's a big factor in the playoffs, imo, and I think the silo has made it much worse. I think RW has done a decent job of it. Getting NW to play GV as close as they did last year took great preparation. GV was the more talented team by a fairly large margin, imo.

I’d disagree on higgins. I’d take him against a tougher opponent, the first time any day. Rather than a NW, UCM, PITT reoccurring. Love him to death and this is just my take, but I feel sometimes he gets in his head when it’s somebody we know and have seen. Queue the 3rd and 10, up by 6, 20 seconds to go and we fumble a reverse trick play to lose a game.

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Pitts decline started in 2006 and went through 2019. In that time they made the playoffs only 3 times but was able to catch lightning in a bottle in 11 and win a NC. They had a real shot at another one in 14. During that period Broyles was absent and Beck wasn't the answer. Beck = Rich Wright, IMO. Both excellent Coordinators and average at best HC.

Since 2019 Pitt has gathered itself and is in the process of becoming the 800 pound Gorilla it once was. We still need to gain some weight but we are on our way.

The game this year with ESU hopefully will be between two undefeated teams and the game for the MIAA title. I thought ESU was the 2nd best team in the MIAA last year but did its annual pee down the leg against NW in a big game. ESU got over that hump this year and now you have a formidable foe waiting for you in Pittsburg.

Come get some!

I agree with all that which is why I disagree that PITT has had sustained success. I do think y’all are knocking on the door and this year and next could def. have me changing my tune.

ESU has had success relative to the ESU of the past, but until we can consistently beat NW and stop losing those 1 or 2 random games we shouldn’t. I wouldn’t put us in this conversation. If we do something with this season after beating NW, I could see it being a catalyst for us. If we go and piss down our leg at UCM or MOSO. We will continue to get a couple playoff games or a bowl ring.

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It's really tough. Coaches, many of whom have spent their entire playing and coaching careers within that system tend to have so much buy in that they surround themselves with others who have that same buy in. Any business will stagnate without new ideas and new people. It works until it doesn't.

That’s very true at our level. They get those rose colored glasses on and get comfortable.

[northwest missouri state]

They won just one national championship in the last two decades, and calling it agenda-driven to use that timeframe is quite the stretch. It's a convenient reference for evaluating D2 football performance over a substantial period. Let's talk about sustained success: Northwest is the only team in the MIAA that truly exemplifies it, no question about it. Pittsburgh State hasn't been 'PITT' in quite some time.

But let's go back twenty years, so you can try and get your rocks off. In that span, they've claimed the conference title 4 times, compared to Northwest's 8. One of those championships was the year they won it all– far from a 'down year.' The same goes for their other title they weren’t “down”. The rest, well, they weren't particularly remarkable in any given season." If my numbers are off you can blame the MIAA website. Has PITT been good, yeah. Are they that much better than the pack… no. Unless we go back 20 or 30 years when half these current players weren’t even born lmao. Gas was .99 the last time PITT was considered a dynasty.

since 2000:
• Northwest Missouri State: 9 championships (2016, 2015, 2013, 2002, 2010, 2009, 2008, 2007, 2006)
• Pittsburg State: 6 championships (2022, 2014, 2011, 2004, 2001, 2000)
• Fort Hays State: 2 championships (2018, 2017)
• Central Missouri: 2 championships (2019, 2003)
• Missouri Western: 1 championship (2012)
• Washburn: 1 championship (2005)
• Emporia State: 1 championship (2003)
Some of these are split ships*



AND, they aren’t anywhere close to winning a title in 2023. It’s week 2. You are silly!

yer still framing.

i stated that they are the only other program beside nwms historically that has proved capable of sustained success in this league.

go back to the day they joined the league, redo your math.

regardless you managed to accidentally prove my point. via your cherry picking, during significant time while they were down the score is pitt 7 league titles, rest of the league combined, 7. you neglected to credit them, nwms, & mowest with their share in 2003. we also shared one of the hays titles, & 2019 with cm iirc.

[Hornetfan]

This is how I know I've been on this board for way to long - Bearcat fans talking about long term success.
I can remember the days when NWMSU fans only cared about the last five years, because anything longer didn't matter to recruits. :)

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This is how I know I've been on this board for way to long - Bearcat fans talking about long term success.
I can remember the days when NWMSU fans only cared about the last five years, because anything longer didn't matter to recruits. :)

Exactly… take it out ten, they want twenty, take out twenty they want since the beginning of time. What a joke.

[northwest missouri state]

we should be due for a renaissance in 2037.

[northwest missouri state]

Exactly… take it out ten, they want twenty, take out twenty they want since the beginning of time. What a joke.

you took one line out of a post about our coach & started a pissing match over it. fortunately i'm well equipped & immature enough to play along.

you get what you get.

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yer still framing.

i stated that they are the only other program beside nwms historically that has proved capable of sustained success in this league.

go back to the day they joined the league, redo your math.

regardless you managed to accidentally prove my point. via your cherry picking, during significant time while they were down the score is pitt 7 league titles, rest of the league combined, 7. you neglected to credit them, nwms, & mowest with their share in 2003. we also shared one of the hays titles, & 2019 with cm iirc.

I picked a random point in time and then adjusted even further for you. I could care less how far back you want to take it. The fact remains. PITT has not had sustained success as of late. Which is all that really matters. Who gives a damn if they won in the 90’s it’s 2023.

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you took one line out of a post about our coach & started a pissing match over it. fortunately i'm well equipped & immature enough to play along.

you get what you get.

Hahahahahahahahahahahaha a pissing match. No I called you out on your BS take on PITT and UCO. Let’s just forget the fact that you seriously included them in your post lmao. That alone removes all credibility in anything else you say.

[northwest missouri state]

I picked a random point in time and then adjusted even further for you. I could care less how far back you want to take it. The fact remains. PITT has not had sustained success as of late. Which is all that really matters. Who gives a damn if they won in the 90’s it’s 2023.

& now yer attempting to twist what i said by adding your own qualifier (as of late - a vague term) to fit your view of their program. or what you want it to be, or whatev.

again, all born from a post that's really about our coach.

by all means, proceed.

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& now yer attempting to twist what i said by adding your own qualifier (as of late - a vague term) to fit your view of their program. or what you want it to be, or whatev.

again, all born from a post that's really about our coach.

by all means, proceed.

As if “historically” isn’t a vague term. If you didn’t want someone to pick a random point in time. Then you should have been definitive in your post. If you wanted it to be about your coach, then you shouldn’t have brought the rest of the league into it.

I’m not twisting anything. I clearly told you in the last 20 years. PITT and UCO have not had sustained success. Which to me and probably ever other person in this forum would translate to “as of late”.

But please, let’s pretend like what they done in the 90’s is relevant. To anything that has to do with “your coach”. Which is what “your posts about”, anyway, right? Lmfao

[Predatory Primates]

I’d disagree on higgins. I’d take him against a tougher opponent, the first time any day. Rather than a NW, UCM, PITT reoccurring. Love him to death and this is just my take, but I feel sometimes he gets in his head when it’s somebody we know and have seen. Queue the 3rd and 10, up by 6, 20 seconds to go and we fumble a reverse trick play to lose a game.

IDK. It seems like he has lost some PO games he should have won.. maybe I'm misremembering.

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IDK. It seems like he has lost some PO games he should have won.. maybe I'm misremembering.

In the vague words of the other guy, “Historically” he … lol😂😂 jk.

We lost to Duluth the “first” meeting, but a few years later beat them. Then Mankato and Henderson we beat. All others were against MIAA, PO wise. I don’t know that we should have won the first meeting with Duluth, but that’s been a long time ago. I don’t remember. I also don’t remember if they would be same skill wise, but I def would pick Higgins against a new opponent with the same talent level any day of the week. It’s when he knows the squad that I feel like sometimes trips him up.

[Predatory Primates]

In the vague words of the other guy, “Historically” he … lol😂😂 jk.

We lost to Duluth the “first” meeting, but a few years later beat them. Then Mankato and Henderson we beat. All others were against MIAA, PO wise. I don’t know that we should have won the first meeting with Duluth, but that’s been a long time ago. I don’t remember. I also don’t remember if they would be same skill wise, but I def would pick Higgins against a new opponent with the same talent level any day of the week. It’s when he knows the squad that I feel like sometimes trips him up.

I was wrong. Maybe I was thinking of Brown and the Hays playoff history.