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  • Re: Iup basketball

    Originally posted by IUPbigINDIANS View Post
    7 for 33 from deep

    17 TOs

    Only 11 FT attempts


    Goodness ... pray they don't see a zone the rest of the way.

    Looked like they were as timid against the Cal zone as if they were playing Syracuse.

    Three 6'9" guys Cal has no answer for and IUP just chucks bricks from 30' all day.

    Not a well-coached game.
    You couldn't resist... I thought we weren't commenting? hahaha

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    • It’s a W on the road. I’m happy with it. There’s no excuse for not “bringing it” every time out, but it’s also almost impossible to do. Let’s be honest. This team shows some boredom in games like this one, and the performance shows.

      The IUP teams that made runs to the finals were similar in this regard. I’m not saying that’s the best formula, but I’m not concerned about how this game translates to the big picture. I wish the bigs were playing better, but otherwise I think they’re poised for a pretty good run in the coming weeks.


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      • Re: Iup basketball

        Originally posted by EyeoftheHawk View Post
        It’s a W on the road. I’m happy with it. There’s no excuse for not “bringing it” every time out, but it’s also almost impossible to do. Let’s be honest. This team shows some boredom in games like this one, and the performance shows.

        The IUP teams that made runs to the finals were similar in this regard. I’m not saying that’s the best formula, but I’m not concerned about how this game translates to the big picture. I wish the bigs were playing better, but otherwise I think they’re poised for a pretty good run in the coming weeks.


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        I'm the opposite. I think the guards are a growing concern. Bearer is having trouble hitting the rim since he came back (literally) and Armoni is pretty banged up. Malik is turning the ball over way too much (the team as a whole is). Dante has been pretty solid.

        I do buy in to the level of opponent argument -- to an extent. Joe's teams historically give a fairly 'blah' performance in such games.

        Yesterday was just a poorly coached game. He said in the paper today they couldn't just pound the ball inside all day. Why the freak not? What did chucking 7 of 33 treys do (other than almost lose them the game)? Pound, pound, pound and then pound some more until the opponent has no choice but to sell out on the post.

        They were launching some UGLY shots yesterday -- airballs, etc.

        The No. 2 team in the country can't be in a tight game with a minute left against a team with 5 players. No excuses.

        The DeVante Chance team ... it didn't matter if they were home or away. This team ... getting that regional here, in my opinion, is extremely important.

        I agree that was a 'dud' yesterday. But, that's two 'duds' in a row. They best be ready to roll Wednesday night. Of these bottom-dwellers all in a row, Edinboro is pretty hot right now. They will likely run in to a decent crowd up there, too.

        They have to adjust better on days they can't hit the side of a barn (like yesterday). They were lucky to win that game yesterday. That's not a good thing to say based on the opponent and time of year.

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          I agree that I think the guards are struggling. Dante has been good but past him... YIKES!!!

          1) Armoni's injuries are showing.
          2) Malik has been a turnover machine.
          3) Bearer's shot resembles a playground player right now.
          4) Where has Anthony White been? He could play 5-6 minutes to help get guys healthy.
          5) I still say Marco is better than Willem.
          6) Is Cobo's back ok? If not, Chucky can play!
          7) If Cobo is healthy, why not use both Chuck and Cobo at the same time? Athleticism!!!

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          • Originally posted by IUPalum View Post
            I agree that I think the guards are struggling. Dante has been good but past him... YIKES!!!

            1) Armoni's injuries are showing.
            2) Malik has been a turnover machine.
            3) Bearer's shot resembles a playground player right now.
            4) Where has Anthony White been? He could play 5-6 minutes to help get guys healthy.
            5) I still say Marco is better than Willem.
            6) Is Cobo's back ok? If not, Chucky can play!
            7) If Cobo is healthy, why not use both Chuck and Cobo at the same time? Athleticism!!!
            I guess my not mentioning the guards is more based on what I’ve seen all year, and not the last few weeks. I do agree that they’re not trending in the right direction.

            All that said, I think they’ll be fine. There shouldn’t be any trouble being motivated now with so much at stake.


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            • Re: Iup basketball

              Originally posted by EyeoftheHawk View Post
              I guess my not mentioning the guards is more based on what I’ve seen all year, and not the last few weeks. I do agree that they’re not trending in the right direction.

              All that said, I think they’ll be fine. There shouldn’t be any trouble being motivated now with so much at stake.


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              You sure wouldn't think but we've all seen the past two games. Take it back a third game up at UPJ. Minus Chuckie bailing them out they don't win that game.

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              • Re: Iup basketball

                Originally posted by IUPbigINDIANS View Post
                I'm the opposite. I think the guards are a growing concern. Bearer is having trouble hitting the rim since he came back (literally) and Armoni is pretty banged up. Malik is turning the ball over way too much (the team as a whole is). Dante has been pretty solid.

                I do buy in to the level of opponent argument -- to an extent. Joe's teams historically give a fairly 'blah' performance in such games.

                Yesterday was just a poorly coached game. He said in the paper today they couldn't just pound the ball inside all day. Why the freak not? What did chucking 7 of 33 treys do (other than almost lose them the game)? Pound, pound, pound and then pound some more until the opponent has no choice but to sell out on the post.

                They were launching some UGLY shots yesterday -- airballs, etc.

                The No. 2 team in the country can't be in a tight game with a minute left against a team with 5 players. No excuses.

                The DeVante Chance team ... it didn't matter if they were home or away. This team ... getting that regional here, in my opinion, is extremely important.

                I agree that was a 'dud' yesterday. But, that's two 'duds' in a row. They best be ready to roll Wednesday night. Of these bottom-dwellers all in a row, Edinboro is pretty hot right now. They will likely run in to a decent crowd up there, too.

                They have to adjust better on days they can't hit the side of a barn (like yesterday). They were lucky to win that game yesterday. That's not a good thing to say based on the opponent and time of year.
                I agree with your assessment that shot selection is IUP’s biggest issue. I’ve only seen IUP about 4 times but what stood out is they do not focus on high precentage shots.

                Back around Scooter Renkin’s senior season (+ or - 1yr), I thought Joe had shot selection data drilled into his team. There were no corner threes, there were very few wing threes and it seemed like 80-90% of the shots were taken in the width of the lane (from layups all the way out to threes). These are the highest percentage shots on the court.

                Back in those days, if a player received a pass in the corner, he would shot fake and dribble to the paint. This year they chuck it and miss far too often.

                If IUP can limit their 3 point attempts to just slightly outside the width of the lane, their shooting percentage is going to increase. Better yet is if those shots are taken after a shooter has spotted up and the pass is made after a paint touch, shooting % will drastically increase.

                Combine high % spots on the floor with shooters catching when they are square and in rhythm, that will do wonders for these poor shooting nights. It’s all mathematics, coaching and awareness.

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                  Originally posted by IUPTrackMan View Post
                  I agree with your assessment that shot selection is IUP’s biggest issue. I’ve only seen IUP about 4 times but what stood out is they do not focus on high precentage shots.

                  Back around Scooter Renkin’s senior season (+ or - 1yr), I thought Joe had shot selection data drilled into his team. There were no corner threes, there were very few wing threes and it seemed like 80-90% of the shots were taken in the width of the lane (from layups all the way out to threes). These are the highest percentage shots on the court.

                  Back in those days, if a player received a pass in the corner, he would shot fake and dribble to the paint. This year they chuck it and miss far too often.

                  If IUP can limit their 3 point attempts to just slightly outside the width of the lane, their shooting percentage is going to increase. Better yet is if those shots are taken after a shooter has spotted up and the pass is made after a paint touch, shooting % will drastically increase.

                  Combine high % spots on the floor with shooters catching when they are square and in rhythm, that will do wonders for these poor shooting nights. It’s all mathematics, coaching and awareness.
                  Yeah, no, that's not going to happen. I'm all about working inside out with the 3 shooter catching and square to the hoop no matter where the three ball is. These guys are better shooters than limiting their shots. They have to work inside out though and that they don't do.

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                  • Re: Iup basketball

                    Statistically, IUP is third in the conference hitting 37 percent from deep on the season. They have taken the fourth most attempts.

                    Within that number, Dante Lombardi has launched the most in the PSAC (217 attempts out of IUP's 646 total attempts) -- roughly a third of IUP's deep shots. That said, he is among the conference leaders -- hitting .378 percent from deep.

                    As a whole, they've been pretty solid from deep. It just seems when they go in the tank for a game, they ALL go in the tank together at the same time.

                    Of the main deep shooters:

                    Cobo .367
                    Malik .344
                    Dante .378
                    Armoni .340
                    Bearer .516 (just 31 attempts)


                    Like it or not, this is a team built around the trey.

                    The two games this year they've shot the most of them were both against Cal (10-36 and 7-33). In their only two losses of the season they hit 20 and 26 percent. On the positive side, they've shot over 50 percent from outside on numerous occasions this year.

                    I have no issue with them launching. They have a lot of shooters. I just thought the in-game adjustments have been pretty terrible on the nights that, for whatever reason, the whole team goes in to a funk together. This past Saturday at Cal, for instance, the offense was awful. Not only from the obvious fact they couldn't make any shots, but it was SO predictable. They ran the same set over and over and over and over again. What do they say about the definition of insanity?


                    For you real stat geeks out there ... you'd be SHOCKED in the difference they shoot from outside between the two ends at the KCAC. It's a baffling difference. It's like that for the visiting team, too. Teams cannot shoot at the horseshoe end of the KCAC. That can be statistically proven. No idea why but it happens so often it can't be called a coincidence.
                    Last edited by IUPbigINDIANS; 02-25-2019, 07:41 AM.

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                    • Re: Iup basketball

                      Originally posted by EyeoftheHawk View Post
                      I guess my not mentioning the guards is more based on what I’ve seen all year, and not the last few weeks. I do agree that they’re not trending in the right direction.

                      All that said, I think they’ll be fine. There shouldn’t be any trouble being motivated now with so much at stake.


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                      I tend to agree that they’ll be ok for the postseason. We like to say that PSAC West play is a slog, but this year it’s a different kind of slog. Let’s be honest, outside of Mercyhurst and SRU the PSAC West sucks out loud. It can’t be easy for a team with IUP’s talent to get up for playing in this division night after night. I’m sure they really just want the regular season to be over. We can’t lose sight of the fact that this team made it through a very tough non conference schedule and crossovers against all of the best teams in the East unscathed. Sure some warts have surfaced, but they have for everybody else too.

                      Assuming they make the PSAC semis, that game might be a bit of a shell shock when they get smacked in the mouth by a quality team after two months of playing mostly dregs. But hopefully that’ll be the wake up call they’ll need for the regional and maybe beyond.

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                        Originally posted by Chuck Norris View Post
                        I tend to agree that they’ll be ok for the postseason. We like to say that PSAC West play is a slog, but this year it’s a different kind of slog. Let’s be honest, outside of Mercyhurst and SRU the PSAC West sucks out loud. It can’t be easy for a team with IUP’s talent to get up for playing in this division night after night. I’m sure they really just want the regular season to be over. We can’t lose sight of the fact that this team made it through a very tough non conference schedule and crossovers against all of the best teams in the East unscathed. Sure some warts have surfaced, but they have for everybody else too.

                        Assuming they make the PSAC semis, that game might be a bit of a shell shock when they get smacked in the mouth by a quality team after two months of playing mostly dregs. But hopefully that’ll be the wake up call they’ll need for the regional and maybe beyond.

                        Valid point. In a perfect world you'd rather not play ESU on the first day of the final four weekend. It's hard to play them with their pace on a Saturday and then turn around and play another strong team on Sunday (assuming you can beat them). It's hard to say who will come out of the East. I assume (dangerous to do) IUP will host UPJ next Wednesday night. Just my guess.

                        To your point about the West this season, yes, it's been rough. As with the past several Joe teams, this team isn't built to play slop fests. Unfortunately, that's all we've watched for a long time now. I, too, think they will thrive when they aren't in these street brawls.
                        Last edited by IUPbigINDIANS; 02-25-2019, 09:09 AM.

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                        • Re: Iup basketball

                          Originally posted by IUPalum View Post
                          Yeah, no, that's not going to happen. I'm all about working inside out with the 3 shooter catching and square to the hoop no matter where the three ball is. These guys are better shooters than limiting their shots. They have to work inside out though and that they don't do.
                          One thing to keep in mind is you play like you practice -- and several aren't practicing. Armoni and Cobo haven't practiced in weeks. That may change soon but it's no doubt contributed to some flow issues, etc.

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                          • Re: Iup basketball

                            Originally posted by IUPbigINDIANS View Post
                            Statistically, IUP is third in the conference hitting 37 percent from deep on the season. They have taken the fourth most attempts.

                            Within that number, Dante Lombardi has launched the most in the PSAC (217 attempts out of IUP's 646 total attempts) -- roughly a third of IUP's deep shots. That said, he is among the conference leaders -- hitting .378 percent from deep.

                            As a whole, they've been pretty solid from deep. It just seems when they go in the tank for a game, they ALL go in the tank together at the same time.

                            Of the main deep shooters:

                            Cobo .367
                            Malik .344
                            Dante .378
                            Armoni .340
                            Bearer .516 (just 31 attempts)


                            Like it or not, this is a team built around the trey.

                            The two games this year they've shot the most of them were both against Cal (10-36 and 7-33). In their only two losses of the season they hit 20 and 26 percent. On the positive side, they've shot over 50 percent from outside on numerous occasions this year.

                            I have no issue with them launching. They have a lot of shooters. I just thought the in-game adjustments have been pretty terrible on the nights that, for whatever reason, the whole team goes in to a funk together. This past Saturday at Cal, for instance, the offense was awful. Not only from the obvious fact they couldn't make any shots, but it was SO predictable. They ran the same set over and over and over and over again. What do they say about the definition of insanity?


                            For you real stat geeks out there ... you'd be SHOCKED in the difference they shoot from outside between the two ends at the KCAC. It's a baffling difference. It's like that for the visiting team, too. Teams cannot shoot at the horseshoe end of the KCAC. That can be statistically proven. No idea why but it happens so often it can't be called a coincidence.
                            I went back and checked the games I went to and IUP shot 30.5% from three. Obviously they had much better nights when I wasn’t there and maybe they took higher percentage threes on those nights. I’ve only seen them against teams in the top half of the division. I agree 37% is a solid overall percentage.

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                              Originally posted by IUPTrackMan View Post
                              I went back and checked the games I went to and IUP shot 30.5% from three. Obviously they had much better nights when I wasn’t there and maybe they took higher percentage threes on those nights. I’ve only seen them against teams in the top half of the division. I agree 37% is a solid overall percentage.
                              The old adage is teams live and die with the three. The thing with this team, however, is it shouldn't have to live and die with it. This roster has three, big, talented zone busters. Yet, like Saturday, they just kept bombing away. Brick after brick.

                              One thing that jumps out in reviewing the stats is that IUP is starting to rely more and more on the three-point shot.

                              Consider:

                              Through the Jan. 2 game against Gannon (12 games), the most three-pointers they attempted in any game was 28. Their average during those first 12 games was about 24 attempts per game. Since then, their attempts have skyrocketed -- with 7 games well over 30 attempts.

                              They are struggling mightily against zone defenses. Consider these three-point stats:

                              California (10-36 and 7-33)
                              Mercyhurst (5-19 and 6-23)
                              Seton Hill (2-16)

                              Total: 30-127 (23.6%)

                              Granted, they don't see exclusive zones very often and that's not a huge sample size. But, fact is pretty clear they shot terribly in all five of those games against a 40-minute zone. Why is that? We obviously aren't the only ones who can see statistics and trends. Not many teams in the regional field play much zone -- thankfully. The answer seems simple. Let Cobo and the boys take over down low. But, they seem hesitant to go down that path.
                              Last edited by IUPbigINDIANS; 02-26-2019, 09:42 AM.

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                              • Re: Iup basketball

                                Originally posted by IUPTrackMan View Post
                                I went back and checked the games I went to and IUP shot 30.5% from three. Obviously they had much better nights when I wasn’t there and maybe they took higher percentage threes on those nights. I’ve only seen them against teams in the top half of the division. I agree 37% is a solid overall percentage.
                                I'd say 37% is acceptable if you are a team that doesn't take many 3's in a game...say 15 to 20 attempts. Average more than that and a team is playing with fire. They will beat bad teams because they are bad teams but it will present problems when you play a good team that can excede your 3 point shooting by a significant margin.

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