PSAC WEST

[IUP24]

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Mercyhurst is seen as boring -- typically by the teams who get made to look like pretenders the night prior.

Boring. Exciting. Dull. Whatever. Who cares.

Manchal's team came in to Indiana this March and made then 30-2 IUP and West Liberty look like major pretenders. IUP looked like they'd never seen a zone before (have they?) and West Liberty was just blasted on the boards.

The thing is with Mercyhurst, though, is that won't happen every year. Gary has to build up to that point -- or, like last year, hit the lottery with his one-year transfers (Patrick Smith and Jason Massey).

They typically go back to 'above average' after a big season. Never easy to play but they seem to only get that one great team every 3-4 years.

This upcoming season has the look of a total rebuild. Not only are Smith, Massey and several others gone, but returning (star to be) PG Derrick Ellis transferred out (likely not wanting to take part in the rebuild).

So, 'boring' is a tough word to use. The last month of this past season, ... I may use the word 'suffocating' or 'dominant' instead.

The other issue they have with being consistently very good is it's hard to find the right players to buy in to that system -- especially with Manchal more-recently starting to lean on transfers. That defensive system is hard to learn -- especially for one-year guys. He caught lightning in a bottle last season with Smith and Massey.

I'd peg them to finish this upcoming season somewhere in the 17-13 range. They'll pull a big upset along the way because there are some teams (not to mention any names) that look like deer in the headlights against that zone.

LOL

[IUPbigINDIANS]

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This kid can score a lot of points in a hurry. I will be curious how he will do defensively. Going to have to hit the weight room and wonder if a redshirt year is in his future As a PIAA district 9 fan we will be rooting for him for sure. And I am sure there are a lot of north central PA HS coaches glad to see him graduate!!

So as a newbie here and the last thing I needed was another site to follow, but oh well..... my question is this.... I see a lot of not really bashing but suggestion that Mercyhurst doesn't play the most exciting of basketball. And that certainly may be the case, but looking at the scores from their games the last two seasons their offensive average isn't horrible. Again, I am new not only to this site but to PSAC basketball as well so I really don't have a clue. I just find it odd that the Chambers kid would end up at a slow it down type system as he always seemed to be a score and score a lot kind of player. I guess slow it down systems still need shooters!!!

Mercyhurst is seen as boring -- typically by the teams who get made to look like pretenders the night prior.

Boring. Exciting. Dull. Whatever. Who cares.

Manchal's team came in to Indiana this March and made then 30-2 IUP and West Liberty look like major pretenders. IUP looked like they'd never seen a zone before (have they?) and West Liberty was just blasted on the boards.

The thing is with Mercyhurst, though, is that won't happen every year. Gary has to build up to that point -- or, like last year, hit the lottery with his one-year transfers (Patrick Smith and Jason Massey).

They typically go back to 'above average' after a big season. Never easy to play but they seem to only get that one great team every 3-4 years.

This upcoming season has the look of a total rebuild. Not only are Smith, Massey and several others gone, but returning (star to be) PG Derrick Ellis transferred out (likely not wanting to take part in the rebuild).

So, 'boring' is a tough word to use. The last month of this past season, ... I may use the word 'suffocating' or 'dominant' instead.

The other issue they have with being consistently very good is it's hard to find the right players to buy in to that system -- especially with Manchal more-recently starting to lean on transfers. That defensive system is hard to learn -- especially for one-year guys. He caught lightning in a bottle last season with Smith and Massey.

I'd peg them to finish this upcoming season somewhere in the 17-13 range. They'll pull a big upset along the way because there are some teams (not to mention any names) that look like deer in the headlights against that zone.

[IUP24]

This kid can score a lot of points in a hurry. I will be curious how he will do defensively. Going to have to hit the weight room and wonder if a redshirt year is in his future As a PIAA district 9 fan we will be rooting for him for sure. And I am sure there are a lot of north central PA HS coaches glad to see him graduate!!

So as a newbie here and the last thing I needed was another site to follow, but oh well..... my question is this.... I see a lot of not really bashing but suggestion that Mercyhurst doesn't play the most exciting of basketball. And that certainly may be the case, but looking at the scores from their games the last two seasons their offensive average isn't horrible. Again, I am new not only to this site but to PSAC basketball as well so I really don't have a clue. I just find it odd that the Chambers kid would end up at a slow it down type system as he always seemed to be a score and score a lot kind of player. I guess slow it down systems still need shooters!!!

[bvillejoe]

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Owen Chambers, from Coudersport, is going to Mercyhurst. He's the all-time leading scorer in District 9 at over 2,200 points. He's 6-2 and rail thin. But I've seen and covered a handful of his games...he's a gamer and a deadly shot. I think he'll get minutes in their 11-man rotation.

This kid can score a lot of points in a hurry. I will be curious how he will do defensively. Going to have to hit the weight room and wonder if a redshirt year is in his future As a PIAA district 9 fan we will be rooting for him for sure. And I am sure there are a lot of north central PA HS coaches glad to see him graduate!!

So as a newbie here and the last thing I needed was another site to follow, but oh well..... my question is this.... I see a lot of not really bashing but suggestion that Mercyhurst doesn't play the most exciting of basketball. And that certainly may be the case, but looking at the scores from their games the last two seasons their offensive average isn't horrible. Again, I am new not only to this site but to PSAC basketball as well so I really don't have a clue. I just find it odd that the Chambers kid would end up at a slow it down type system as he always seemed to be a score and score a lot kind of player. I guess slow it down systems still need shooters!!!

[IUPbigINDIANS]

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He's a headache!

That's good. He'll fit right in.

[IUPalum]

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Meadville's LaShawn Lindsey has signed with SRU.

He's a headache!

[IUPbigINDIANS]

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Meadville's LaShawn Lindsey has signed with SRU.

[IUPbigINDIANS]

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and only 4 scholarships.

Well, most of KR's tenure at SRU he only had between 3 and 4 rides -- and he put some awfully competitive teams on the floor. I think he was a master at the 'work around' and found other ways to get those guys money. That's just talking out loud ... no clue if he even applied.

Here's a mind bomb: Either JR or KR as head coach and the other as assistant. You'd have game officials on suicide watch by the intermission.

[IUPalum]

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I was starting to wonder if they couldn't find anybody to even take the job.

JR or KR. Easy decision. Of course, neither is going there for $49k.

and only 4 scholarships.

[IUPbigINDIANS]

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Clarion taking their good old time. Makes you wonder if it's all just about saying you have a basketball team. If so, what a waste of all that state money for Tippin.

https://www.explorejeffersonpa.com/c...sday-canceled/

I was starting to wonder if they couldn't find anybody to even take the job.

JR or KR. Easy decision. Of course, neither is going there for $49k.

[Fightingscot82]

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Clarion taking their good old time. Makes you wonder if it's all just about saying you have a basketball team. If so, what a waste of all that state money for Tippin.

https://www.explorejeffersonpa.com/c...sday-canceled/

[IUPbigINDIANS]

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Mercyhurst has signed (PF) Melkisedek Moreaux (6'8", 195 lbs) ... although he looks pretty jacked so that weight is likely several years old. He previously played at St. Bonaventure.

Looks like he was a deep bench guy at St. Bonaventure. He'll have one year at Mercyhurst.

[ctrabs74]

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It would be hard to believe that Clarion cares any less about men's basketball than they do about softball and that team went 0 and 43 this season! Oh and freakin' FORTY-THREE!!!!

At least Clarion finished the season. The 2016 Lincoln (Pa.) softball team lost their first six games and ultimately cancelled the rest of the season (I couldn't find any stories from that season on the LU website; sounds like they had a problem keeping enough players that season).

But, wow, 0-43. Only two other D2 softball teams finished 2019 without a win: Livingstone (0-28) and Paine (0-21); Lemoyne-Owen came close, finishing with a 1-21 record. The three schools I just mentioned are from the SIAC.

[Golden89]

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It would be hard to believe that Clarion cares any less about men's basketball than they do about softball and that team went 0 and 43 this season! Oh and freakin' FORTY-THREE!!!!

Wow!!! 0-43!! Outscored 456-132. Would have been worse if not for the 15 games ended by the mercy rule.

Outhit .403 to .238. Gave up 235 walks for a .509 on-base percentage to .305. That is staggering.

[Horror Child]

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It would be hard to believe that Clarion cares any less about men's basketball than they do about softball and that team went 0 and 43 this season! Oh and freakin' FORTY-THREE!!!!