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  • Originally posted by Fightingscot82 View Post
    Rumor has it PASSHE will get a 6% funding increase - exactly what they asked for and enough to avoid another tuition increase.

    https://www.insidehighered.com/news/...ts-and-funding
    Informative article that somewhat addresses the Penn State elephant in the room. Liked the b.s. spin by the Penn State representative to depict all their branch campuses as essential. What really got me was the statement that the branch campuses were around before PASSHE. That is correct in the sense that the organization known as PASSHE wasn't founded until the 1980s, but most of the PASSHE campuses themselves have been around far longer than PSU branch campuses. The Harrisburg PSU campus, for example, was founded in 1966.

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    • Originally posted by Ship69 View Post

      Informative article that somewhat addresses the Penn State elephant in the room. Liked the b.s. spin by the Penn State representative to depict all their branch campuses as essential. What really got me was the statement that the branch campuses were around before PASSHE. That is correct in the sense that the organization known as PASSHE wasn't founded until the 1980s, but most of the PASSHE campuses themselves have been around far longer than PSU branch campuses. The Harrisburg PSU campus, for example, was founded in 1966.
      I know the App State professor in the article. He actually is a Penn State grad and grew up in Edinboro, PA and is married to a Lock Haven native & grad. Even he knows Penn State has overstepped.

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      • Originally posted by iupgroundhog View Post

        The more closely the PASSHE becomes linked to workforce development, the more support it will get from the GOP.
        Greenstein echoed those concerns, though he feels that lawmakers on both sides of the aisle are willing to help buoy higher education when tied to workforce outcomes.

        Dan keeps stealing my lines.

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        • Should be an interesting test for how selling off a former PASSHE campus will go a few years from now: https://www.pennlive.com/realestate-...lassrooms.html

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          • Originally posted by Fightingscot82 View Post
            Should be an interesting test for how selling off a former PASSHE campus will go a few years from now: https://www.pennlive.com/realestate-...lassrooms.html
            My money’s on that getting blown up and turned into warehouses.

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            • Originally posted by cwfenn View Post

              My money’s on that getting blown up and turned into warehouses.
              Yeah I can't imagine much else for it given where it is. So many out of the way towns in PA based on former industries and former modes of transportation (river, train, etc) that are now passed over by interstates and major roads.

              There really isn't much of a market anywhere for a college campus not located in a major metro starved for real estate. Georgia Southern University is having trouble selling off parts of the former Armstrong State campus that they merged with - and that's in the Savannah/Hilton Head market.

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              • Originally posted by cwfenn View Post

                My money’s on that getting blown up and turned into warehouses.
                Dollar General probably already has the wrecking ball on the way.

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                • Originally posted by Fightingscot82 View Post

                  Yeah I can't imagine much else for it given where it is. So many out of the way towns in PA based on former industries and former modes of transportation (river, train, etc) that are now passed over by interstates and major roads.

                  There really isn't much of a market anywhere for a college campus not located in a major metro starved for real estate. Georgia Southern University is having trouble selling off parts of the former Armstrong State campus that they merged with - and that's in the Savannah/Hilton Head market.
                  I don’t think they’d have too much of a problem selling off Cheyney. It’s prime real estate.

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                  • Originally posted by IUPNation View Post

                    I don’t think they’d have too much of a problem selling off Cheyney. It’s prime real estate.
                    Maybe. Its still pretty close to the outer limits of the sprawl and the demo costs would be substantial.

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                    • Originally posted by Fightingscot82 View Post

                      Maybe. Its still pretty close to the outer limits of the sprawl and the demo costs would be substantial.
                      They could turn Cheyney into a business park pretty quick. Or, some other use.

                      UPenn would probably buy it.

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                      • Originally posted by Fightingscot82 View Post
                        Should be an interesting test for how selling off a former PASSHE campus will go a few years from now: https://www.pennlive.com/realestate-...lassrooms.html
                        Scotland School, as mentioned in the article, was primarily a school for veterans' kids, often orphans, at one time, but over the years it gradually became a haven for low-income kids from troubled homes. They often punched above their weight in sports because in spite of the school's rural location there was usually a large contingent of urban minority kids enrolled. They won a couple of state championships in their enrollment classification in basketball and had some standout individual football and track athletes. Chuck Davis, at one time Shippensburg's all-time leading scorer with 1,825 points, came out of Scotland. In recent years, the site had been run by some Christian outfit based out of Korea. That apparently did not work out.

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                        • Originally posted by Fightingscot82 View Post

                          Maybe. It’s if you are putting still pretty close to the outer limits of the sprawl and the demo costs would be substantial.
                          Not if you build 7- 8 figure homes on the land…it’s a high rent district.

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                          • Originally posted by iupgroundhog View Post

                            They could turn Cheyney into a business park pretty quick. Or, some other use.

                            UPenn would probably buy it.
                            Suburban office parks are not the future. SAP’s big glass building in Newtown Square sits empty every day..they still work from home.

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                            • Originally posted by Fightingscot82 View Post
                              So it's three unique partnerships to explore different types of shared services or future innovation.

                              Cal and Clarion are going explore online driven programs.

                              Edinboro and Slippery Rock are exploring shared back end functions plus trying a unified admissions plan.

                              Mansfield and Lock Haven are going to pursue creating non degree credentials to promote lifelong learning and career pivots without requiring a new degree.

                              These are not mergers. They're exploring different models of the larger system redesign.
                              State system is beyond a bad joke. Too many schools seems to be the problem for the last 20 YEARS. Closing a few would go a long way, just sayin.

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                              • Originally posted by Iupgh View Post
                                State system is beyond a bad joke. Too many schools seems to be the problem for the last 20 YEARS. Closing a few would go a long way, just sayin.
                                Only the state legislature can close a university. They can't even pass a budget they've agreed upon. The chancellor can compel a merged university to close a campus. The Board of Governors overseeing PASSHE has been a joke for too long. The chair is married to the very rich and politically powerful owner of Giant Eagle but has never donated a penny to any one PASSHE school. The best thing that's happened to PASSHE in the last 25 years is a chancellor who asked for big money with data to support and some politicians on the board bargaining for that big ask in exchange for tuition freezes. I'd venture to say that the bulk of the individual school Councils of Trustees are jokes, which is why the schools are struggling.

                                Power rankings of PASSHE campuses:

                                1. West Chester - Enrollment down but still steady. Emptying their cash reserves so it doesn't keep getting stolen to cover losses elsewhere.
                                2. Slippery Rock - Enrollment up 1.5%. Housing over capacity. Third-most cash reserves. Major renovation to Morrow Fieldhouse coming in 2025 that will be big.
                                3. Millersville - Enrollment up big for some reason. Largest increase in the system.
                                4. Kutztown - Basically holding steady in a good way.
                                5. Bloomsburg - would be #4 if not pulled down by having to manage two other campuses.
                                6. Shippensburg - Enrollment slightly up. Holding steady but a big divide between Ship and the rest below.
                                7. East Stroudsburg - Tons of town/gown challenges with student behavior.
                                8. California - Penn West is dragging them down, otherwise they'd be higher. Similar challenge to IUP - a lot of folks assume things are great like its 2009.
                                9. Lock Haven - Scuffling but the Commonwealth merger is helping. Town is taking hits too. Wrestling returning to supremacy.
                                10. Mansfield - Would be #11 if not for the Commonwealth merger keeping them propped up.
                                11. IUP - Enrollment just keeps dropping and the layoffs keep coming. 4 student-facing people let go this week. Most alumni have no clue what's going on.
                                12. Cheyney - With West Chester carrying much of the back end management, they're financially sound. If they brought back athletics they'd be golden.
                                13. Edinboro - Somehow ended up the loser of the Penn West merger. Enrollment and athletics in freefall. Campus is a ghost town. At least the town is doing alright.
                                14. Clarion - You know how when you're emptying a tub the water starts moving faster around the drain right before its done? That's Clarion.

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