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Originally posted by Fightingscot82 View Post
I think the highest priority for the state should be determining a per-student funding rate for the different classifications instead of arguing big arbitrary appropriation figures. Here is how it shook out for 2022-23 per student:
Thaddeus Stevens: $15,260 per student
Lincoln: $10,417 per student
PASSHE: $6,925 per student
Pitt: $5,876 per student
Temple: $4,940 per student
Penn State: $2,743 per student
Numbers are the 2022-23 state appropriation and the fall 22 enrollment for each. Penn State's appropriation doesn't include all the agriculture and extension funds they get to do non-college stuff as our state A&M university.
My argument has always been that PASSHE (and Thaddeus Stevens) funding and tuition should be tied to the federal Pell Grant program so that the highest Pell Grant covers PASSHE tuition & fees. The PHEAA grant funding model should be reversed so the highest grants go to those attending PASSHE, not those attending private colleges, so that the PHEAA grant covers the lowest level of room & board. That way the neediest students can attend for free. Pitt and Penn State can start fundraising for their endowments to cover scholarships instead of professorships and department operating funds if they want to attract these students. State-related funding should be half that of PASSHE. By and large they have fundraising capacity to make up the difference and beyond Temple they're just using branch campuses to farm out the average students who would otherwise be attending PASSHE schools but are willing to pay more for the brand name logo on their diploma.
When will PASSHE or PennWest have a name brand that becomes desired?
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Originally posted by Horror Child View Post
So some students value the Penn State, Pitt or Temple name on their diploma? One might deduce that employers do as well. Or government officials who fund those institutions.
When will PASSHE or PennWest have a name brand that becomes desired?
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Good article on how the state related universities (Penn State, Pitt, Temple, Lincoln) are not subject to the state open records law and how that's hung up their annual state funding.
https://www.post-gazette.com/news/ed...s/202308130141
TLDR: Pitt, Penn State, Temple, Lincoln don't need to disclose any financial data beyond what a private university discloses via the annual Form 990 tax filing.
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There's always something going on at Cheyney
https://www.inquirer.com/education/c...-20230814.html
For those who can't access Philly Inquirer: https://www.insidehighered.com/news/...nduct-lawsuits
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Originally posted by Fightingscot82 View PostThere's always something going on at Cheyney
https://www.inquirer.com/education/c...-20230814.html
For those who can't access Philly Inquirer: https://www.insidehighered.com/news/...nduct-lawsuits
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For those who haven't seen the coverage or the conversation in the MEC board...
WVU is in financial trouble as well. They are cutting 32 degree programs and about 145 professor positions. Not sure how many administrative staff (they don't have a contract that requires advanced planning). Similar to what the PennWest schools and IUP tried to do - they had a plan to build the university to 40,000 students by 2030 but instead now they're projecting to be down to about 25,000. $45 million revenue gap for this current fiscal year and they're a staggering $940 million in debt.
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Originally posted by Fightingscot82 View PostFor those who haven't seen the coverage or the conversation in the MEC board...
WVU is in financial trouble as well. They are cutting 32 degree programs and about 145 professor positions. Not sure how many administrative staff (they don't have a contract that requires advanced planning). Similar to what the PennWest schools and IUP tried to do - they had a plan to build the university to 40,000 students by 2030 but instead now they're projecting to be down to about 25,000. $45 million revenue gap for this current fiscal year and they're a staggering $940 million in debt.
This is why the got stuck in the Big 12 because the See Everyone Cheat conference thought they were too low brow even for them.
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Originally posted by IUPNation View Post
So a shrinking state that is on average poor…is having a hard time with multiple schools. I mean how much of WVU’s student body is from outside West Virginia? I bet fairly high.
This is why the got stuck in the Big 12 because the See Everyone Cheat conference thought they were too low brow even for them.
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Originally posted by Fightingscot82 View Post
About 45% is out of state. WVU has some big discount offers for targeted PA & OH counties. But by and large WVU's student profile resembles IUP. Average students with average to below average family incomes. Very sensitive to price and more likely to not finish on time if at all.
I'm cynical but that is a shocking situation for a state flagship school to be in.
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Originally posted by iupgroundhog View Post
Maybe they can merge with PennWest.
I'm cynical but that is a shocking situation for a state flagship school to be in.
WVU is often the 'fall back' selection. Personally, I'd take IUP any day over WVU. Morgantown is a dump. But, it's a 'name' -- a bigger name for the target audience FS82 described above.
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Originally posted by IUPbigINDIANS View Post
In reality, WVU and IUP are very similar in regard to public perception. WVU is largely seen as the 'big school' version of IUP by most in these parts.
WVU is often the 'fall back' selection. Personally, I'd take IUP any day over WVU. Morgantown is a dump. But, it's a 'name' -- a bigger name for the target audience FS82 described above.
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Originally posted by Fightingscot82 View Post
About 45% is out of state. WVU has some big discount offers for targeted PA & OH counties. But by and large WVU's student profile resembles IUP. Average students with average to below average family incomes. Very sensitive to price and more likely to not finish on time if at all.
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