THE IUP Football Thread

[IUPNation]

I overheard a conversation at the grocery store the other day, a mom was talking to the kid at the register about HCs - her kid had been accepted to both IUP and SRU HC, The kid at the register went to SRU. It hinged on the difference where IUP required students to live in the HC dorm, where SRU offers floor for the HC students, but doesn't require students to live there. Cleary mom preferred having the option. The days where being away from other rowdy students was a perk seem to be gone.

How in the hell does a Gym Teacher school have an Honors College?

Is that where they teach Advanced Dodge Ball?

:-)

[IUPNation]

Club sport. No offense to them, but it’s an intramural travel team.

They still won a title and we are going to brag about it because it’s been a crap fall so far for IUP sports.

:-)

[IUPbigINDIANS]

I overheard a conversation at the grocery store the other day, a mom was talking to the kid at the register about HCs - her kid had been accepted to both IUP and SRU HC, The kid at the register went to SRU. It hinged on the difference where IUP required students to live in the HC dorm, where SRU offers floor for the HC students, but doesn't require students to live there. Cleary mom preferred having the option. The days where being away from other rowdy students was a perk seem to be gone.

I'd want the choice, too. The IUP HC always seemed like a cult.
​​​​​​

[ironmaniup]

"We're now several generations beyond young people being okay with communal shower facilities. SRU houses their HC in one of their newer suite style buildings. Just saying."


That's all well and good, but it's also one of several reasons why those young people are paying the high tuitions they complain about at many schools. Better facilities, food, etc. = higher cost.

I overheard a conversation at the grocery store the other day, a mom was talking to the kid at the register about HCs - her kid had been accepted to both IUP and SRU HC, The kid at the register went to SRU. It hinged on the difference where IUP required students to live in the HC dorm, where SRU offers floor for the HC students, but doesn't require students to live there. Cleary mom preferred having the option. The days where being away from other rowdy students was a perk seem to be gone.

[IUsuallyPonder]

"We're now several generations beyond young people being okay with communal shower facilities. SRU houses their HC in one of their newer suite style buildings. Just saying."


That's all well and good, but it's also one of several reasons why those young people are paying the high tuitions they complain about at many schools. Better facilities, food, etc. = higher cost.

True, but that’s where the market is, so as a school looking for potential students, they need to fill that void. If students want those amenities, and you don’t have them, good luck. These schools aren’t Ivy League or big state schools that can offer the academic prestige, big time sports, or huge endowment. I get the need to be affordable (trust me, I’ll be paying off student loans for a long time), but that’s what is required to get (and keep) students.

[Ship69]

"We're now several generations beyond young people being okay with communal shower facilities. SRU houses their HC in one of their newer suite style buildings. Just saying."


That's all well and good, but it's also one of several reasons why those young people are paying the high tuitions they complain about at many schools. Better facilities, food, etc. = higher cost.

[IUPbigINDIANS]

Club sport. No offense to them, but its an intramural travel team.

It is, but they have a nice following.

IUP's top hockey team does, too. In fact, aside from Tort and basketball, hockey probably has the next biggest fan base at IUP. Those are fun, exciting games.

The other varsity sports at IUP typically draw about 30 fans (if that).

[Fightingscot82]

The IUP Rugby team won the National Championship for their level.

Its something.

Club sport. No offense to them, but its an intramural travel team.

[IUPNation]

The IUP Rugby team won the National Championship for their level.

Its something.

[Fightingscot82]

I believe this demolition is from the state's insistence that each PASSHE campus demolish unused or outdated spaces that are unable to be properly updated. If that's accurate, then its more about the structure than the CHC, which I'm not exactly seeing on the same level as Mr. Cook. IUP was a leader in establishing an honors college and Cook's huge gift still sets it apart, but nearly every PASSHE school and most regional comprehensive universities like IUP have an honors college or at least a robust honors program that operates similarly.

The anecdotal remarks in the article are true - students don't want to live the old cell block style dorms, no matter how fun the community amenities inside. They'll reluctantly live there for price or if they have to (some housing waivers only cover traditional halls), but at places where students are stoked to attend (upper third of the college hierarchy) nobody wants to share a room or live in a small cinder block space with community bathrooms. We're now several generations beyond young people being okay with communal shower facilities. SRU houses their HC in one of their newer suite style buildings. Just saying.

[ironmaniup]

I also read that as not really telling both sides of the story. That said, it's nice to see The Penn take a stand (and not be a PR machine).

Yes, and I have some sympathy for the point of view, They could have created a more specific HC space when they built the northern suites, but things like that are very territorial, and it was not done.

[IUPbigINDIANS]

The Penn article is pretty one sided. I get that some of the early Honor's college students are nostalgic for the space, they did renovate it so some of the old lounges and other larger rooms were made into classroom/seminar space, and the students could go to class in the building they lived in, avoiding the huge required freshman classes. It was also a time when some dorms were partying zoos. Since then there was an update of plumbing and HVAC that shut Whytmire down several semesters about 5ish years ago. It also was not used during covid, since there was no way to isolate students. The quality of the HC has become lower because of the DEI trends, and the fact that GenZ students don't like to do extra work - so a good premed student doesn't want the special english classes that are more work. They are only interested if they think the HC designation would be immediately beneficial, and most don't see it. many of the perks of being at whitmyre have been taken away by budget considerations as well. The new dorms have spaces that are designated for academics, and spaces that are available, and alot of the HC students liked not being set apart from other students. I suppose some liked the specialness of having your own building but there is just not the funding to keep it going, especially considering it is not all that popular anymore. Of course there's always someone who likes things the old way.

I also read that as not really telling both sides of the story. That said, it's nice to see The Penn take a stand (and not be a PR machine).

[ironmaniup]

If the biggest obstacle is replicating the physical space that seems ridiculous to me.

Not to mention how bizarre it is the way they describe the social atmosphere of Whitmyre because most of us lived in places like that in college.

The Penn article is pretty one sided. I get that some of the early Honor's college students are nostalgic for the space, they did renovate it so some of the old lounges and other larger rooms were made into classroom/seminar space, and the students could go to class in the building they lived in, avoiding the huge required freshman classes. It was also a time when some dorms were partying zoos. Since then there was an update of plumbing and HVAC that shut Whytmire down several semesters about 5ish years ago. It also was not used during covid, since there was no way to isolate students. The quality of the HC has become lower because of the DEI trends, and the fact that GenZ students don't like to do extra work - so a good premed student doesn't want the special english classes that are more work. They are only interested if they think the HC designation would be immediately beneficial, and most don't see it. many of the perks of being at whitmyre have been taken away by budget considerations as well. The new dorms have spaces that are designated for academics, and spaces that are available, and alot of the HC students liked not being set apart from other students. I suppose some liked the specialness of having your own building but there is just not the funding to keep it going, especially considering it is not all that popular anymore. Of course there's always someone who likes things the old way.

[IUPNation]

If the biggest obstacle is replicating the physical space that seems ridiculous to me.

Not to mention how bizarre it is the way they describe the social atmosphere of Whitmyre because most of us lived in places like that in college.

I was in there and it was more like a maze and the restroom shower rooms were pretty outdated in the 80’s.

[iupgroundhog]

Looks like Whitmyre Hall is a goner too and throwing the Honors Colkege into a flux. What is Bow Tie doing?

https://www.thepenn.org/opinion/it-s...nOrdb5hfyKc3oQ

If the biggest obstacle is replicating the physical space that seems ridiculous to me.

Not to mention how bizarre it is the way they describe the social atmosphere of Whitmyre because most of us lived in places like that in college.