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  • IUP24
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    Originally posted by IUPalum View Post

    Exactly my point on that horrendous call. I don't understand why they can't pick those flags up after reviewing. It's a BS rule and should be revised.
    I'm pretty certain that they can. The rulebook allows for an official to throw a flag for just targeting... Which is why that call was so perplexing. A lot of the times you see a call such as:

    "Roughing the passer WITH targeting"..."Unnecessary roughness for a hit on a defenseless player WITH targeting"... etc.

    In those situations, the initial call always remains, but they are just reviewing the targeting call.

    When the officials called the penalty initially, they just said they were reviewing a call of targeting. When they came back, they said there was no foul for targeting, but they added a penalty for "helmet contact" (I think that was what the official said). If that wasn't part of the initial call on the field, you cannot add it in a targeting review. So if there was no targeting, there should have been no flag at all.
    Last edited by IUP24; 10-07-2024, 01:07 PM.

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  • IUPbigINDIANS
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    Originally posted by iupgroundhog View Post

    I just went back and re-watched it, too. I didn't see the penalty when I watched it live and I still don't see it, even at 25% speed. Give SRU credit for having a 4th and 4 with 22 seconds left from the IUP 45 yard line and converting that play with a reception to the 22 with 17 seconds left. However, you are right. Being on the 22 with that amount of time left is a whole lot different than being at the 11. After reviewing the entire sequence, I would say SRU pulled it out fair and square, with the exception of that penalty. That did change everything.

    BTW, when you slow the broadcast down, the audio commentary is a little better.
    If you play it backward, it actually says in a slow, creepy voice ... "Get the F out of prevent"


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  • iupgroundhog
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    Originally posted by Iupgh View Post

    All due respect the body slam penalty was the previous SRU TD drive the tipped pass TD drive not the final drive. The BS non targeting call was the last drive and called with 18 freaking seconds. #5 if u watch the replay looks like hits Cox not the SRU player. U don’t call that at that moment. SRU wouldn’t even begged for a call on that play. The white hat was probably pissed after he saw it in the tent. Unfortunately the unnecessary roughness has to stay even though the Targeting was waived. HUGE CALL AND WRONG…Just sayin. Big difference from 22 then the 11.
    I just went back and re-watched it, too. I didn't see the penalty when I watched it live and I still don't see it, even at 25% speed. Give SRU credit for having a 4th and 4 with 22 seconds left from the IUP 45 yard line and converting that play with a reception to the 22 with 17 seconds left. However, you are right. Being on the 22 with that amount of time left is a whole lot different than being at the 11. After reviewing the entire sequence, I would say SRU pulled it out fair and square, with the exception of that penalty. That did change everything.

    BTW, when you slow the broadcast down, the audio commentary is a little better.

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  • IUPalum
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    Originally posted by Iupgh View Post

    All due respect the body slam penalty was the previous SRU TD drive the tipped pass TD drive not the final drive. The BS non targeting call was the last drive and called with 18 freaking seconds. #5 if u watch the replay looks like hits Cox not the SRU player. U don’t call that at that moment. SRU wouldn’t even begged for a call on that play. The white hat was probably pissed after he saw it in the tent. Unfortunately the unnecessary roughness has to stay even though the Targeting was waived. HUGE CALL AND WRONG…Just sayin. Big difference from 22 then the 11.
    Exactly my point on that horrendous call. I don't understand why they can't pick those flags up after reviewing. It's a BS rule and should be revised.

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  • Iupgh
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    Originally posted by IUPbigINDIANS View Post

    IUPAlum texted me right after IUP scored late. He said they left too much time. I then looked at the scoreboard. I unfortunately knew he was right.

    I knew Jim Smith would panic and go ultra conservative. He did.

    I knew SRU would dink and dunk right down the field. They did. The whole stadium knew they didn't have a deep threat.

    I knew IUP would commit a dumb penalty (the DE body slamming that kid was the dumbest play I've ever seen in that stadium).

    And, with 17 seconds left, I just knew SRU was going to somehow score. How that WR got behind the defense is unexplainable.

    So, that's (5) games - all at home - IUP has pi$$ed away in the recent Tort past. All big games.
    All due respect the body slam penalty was the previous SRU TD drive the tipped pass TD drive not the final drive. The BS non targeting call was the last drive and called with 18 freaking seconds. #5 if u watch the replay looks like hits Cox not the SRU player. U don’t call that at that moment. SRU wouldn’t even begged for a call on that play. The white hat was probably pissed after he saw it in the tent. Unfortunately the unnecessary roughness has to stay even though the Targeting was waived. HUGE CALL AND WRONG…Just sayin. Big difference from 22 then the 11.

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  • IUPbigINDIANS
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    That's a very complex case with a lot of moving pieces. But, it's very hard to believe they've made no arrests in a year.

    It's amazing with the amount of heat they put on suspects that none have cracked yet.

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  • Fightingscot82
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    https://triblive.com/local/regional/...ar-iup-campus/

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  • IUPbigINDIANS
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    Originally posted by EyeoftheHawk View Post

    That did cross my mind at the time. Would they have been better served to make Rock take its final timeout and then not get the ball back until there were about 30 seconds left? Probably. To be honest though, I’m not sure IUP trusts the kicker. Although he’s been very good this season, he’s had a history of missing an extra point or two per game. Would of, should of, could of I guess.

    Still, a team up by five with 1:14 to go and the trailing team starting on their own 25 should be a done deal. The ESPN odds of winning calculation had to be at least 80%. IUP has made a habit of pulling defeat from the jaws of victory in those situations though.

    Tort has a good team. It should actually get better.

    'Should' is the key word. Teams don't always bounce back after adversity -- especially his teams.

    This Saturday isn't a cakewalk. Edinboro will be all juiced up for its homecoming. If IUP goes up there pouting and feeling sorry for itself, ... they will lose. I suspect this team, however, will be looking to take out some frustrations.

    All I can tell you is if IUP can find a way to lose a close game ... they will find a way to lose a close game. I've said for years this program isn't winning any games on X's and O's, time management or coaching insights. They have to win on pure talent. This staff isn't out-coaching any other strong programs' staff.

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  • IUP24
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    Originally posted by iupgroundhog View Post

    I certainly agree that this seems like deja vu all over again and all that. But I don't know. Forcing SRU to score a TD to win and where a FG cannot win it is an ok bet, considering that if IUP kicked a FG it might not go thru the uprights. There is that chance. And if that happened IUP loses, anyway. From the beginning of the final SRU drive the defense changed from what they had been doing and then got hit with the penalties (2 of them, right?). That was the difference. If the penalties didn't happen we might not be having this conversation.
    I was thinking the same watching the game. At this level, I feel like kicking games are just so shaky. Always extra points getting botched. Bad snaps, bad holds, etc. Of course, those things happen everywhere, but I feel like we see them more in the lower levels of college football. Just a lot more inconsistencies in the kicking game overall. I didn't have an issue with attempting to get in the end zone there.

    We can debate on bleeding the clock and leaving too much time, etc. That's always easier said than done though. You score when you can and you call the play you think gives you the best chance of doing so. The IUP defense was playing pretty well in the 2nd half. In all honesty, I think they played well most of the game all things considered. They gave up a touchdown on a short field after the turnover. SRU made plays to go up 21-0, but they really buckled down after. I thought they played good football in the 2nd half. If you asked me to bet on them keeping SRU out of the end zone at the end in that situation, I definitely would have bet that.
    Last edited by IUP24; 10-07-2024, 06:44 AM.

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  • EyeoftheHawk
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    Originally posted by TheROCK View Post
    From my perspective, A ROCK fan, we can debate all day OL vs DL, penalties, turnovers....... the game came down to time management.

    Having the ball inside easy winning field goal range with under two minutes left and giving it back to the ROCK with 1:35 left and a time out isn't smart football the way the game is currently played. Going for the TD pass must have sure felt good for IUP fans at that time, but it wasn't the correct call. I guess it was the right call for ROCK Fans
    That did cross my mind at the time. Would they have been better served to make Rock take its final timeout and then not get the ball back until there were about 30 seconds left? Probably. To be honest though, I’m not sure IUP trusts the kicker. Although he’s been very good this season, he’s had a history of missing an extra point or two per game. Would of, should of, could of I guess.

    Still, a team up by five with 1:14 to go and the trailing team starting on their own 25 should be a done deal. The ESPN odds of winning calculation had to be at least 80%. IUP has made a habit of pulling defeat from the jaws of victory in those situations though.

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  • IUPNation
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    Originally posted by IUPbigINDIANS View Post

    Many people in the stands were screaming (in a bad way) when IUP passed the ball (and scored the TD). They had seen this movie starring Jim Smith's "prevent" defense too many times.

    Not running two plays, draining the clock and kicking the walk-off chip-shot probably kept Tort up all night. If you're going to score there, you damn best get the 2pt conversion.

    I'm sure there will be a story to it tomorrow night on his show. There always is.

    There's almost too much to dissect in the final two minutes. From an IUP view it is absolutely maddening. But, it's also a broken record.

    We have a lot of experience seeing games end in this fashion. As a whole, this was the calmest this board has been after such a loss. I think we are getting used to it under Tort. It's always something. Oh so close ... but the same old song.
    I wonder who was the one to tutor Sirianni during his days at IUP? Because he does some dumb ass ****…

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  • iupgroundhog
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    Originally posted by IUPbigINDIANS View Post

    Many people in the stands were screaming (in a bad way) when IUP passed the ball (and scored the TD). They had seen this movie starring Jim Smith's "prevent" defense too many times.

    Not running two plays, draining the clock and kicking the walk-off chip-shot probably kept Tort up all night. If you're going to score there, you damn best get the 2pt conversion.

    I'm sure there will be a story to it tomorrow night on his show. There always is.

    There's almost too much to dissect in the final two minutes. From an IUP view it is absolutely maddening. But, it's also a broken record.

    We have a lot of experience seeing games end in this fashion. As a whole, this was the calmest this board has been after such a loss. I think we are getting used to it under Tort. It's always something. Oh so close ... but the same old song.
    I certainly agree that this seems like deja vu all over again and all that. But I don't know. Forcing SRU to score a TD to win and where a FG cannot win it is an ok bet, considering that if IUP kicked a FG it might not go thru the uprights. There is that chance. And if that happened IUP loses, anyway. From the beginning of the final SRU drive the defense changed from what they had been doing and then got hit with the penalties (2 of them, right?). That was the difference. If the penalties didn't happen we might not be having this conversation.

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  • IUPbigINDIANS
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    Originally posted by TheROCK View Post
    From my perspective, A ROCK fan, we can debate all day OL vs DL, penalties, turnovers....... the game came down to time management.

    Having the ball inside easy winning field goal range with under two minutes left and giving it back to the ROCK with 1:35 left and a time out isn't smart football the way the game is currently played. Going for the TD pass must have sure felt good for IUP fans at that time, but it wasn't the correct call. I guess it was the right call for ROCK Fans
    Many people in the stands were screaming (in a bad way) when IUP passed the ball (and scored the TD). They had seen this movie starring Jim Smith's "prevent" defense too many times.

    Not running two plays, draining the clock and kicking the walk-off chip-shot probably kept Tort up all night. If you're going to score there, you damn best get the 2pt conversion.

    I'm sure there will be a story to it tomorrow night on his show. There always is.

    There's almost too much to dissect in the final two minutes. From an IUP view it is absolutely maddening. But, it's also a broken record.

    We have a lot of experience seeing games end in this fashion. As a whole, this was the calmest this board has been after such a loss. I think we are getting used to it under Tort. It's always something. Oh so close ... but the same old song.

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  • iupgroundhog
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    Originally posted by TheROCK View Post
    From my presective, A ROCK fan, we can debate all day OLvs DL, penalities, turnovers....... the game came down to time management.
    There are a lot of angles and they are probably all correct. To me, the game came down to the penalties on IUP on the final SRU drive and, of course, the TD with :12 on the clock.

    On SRU's side, I believe they got called on 4 pass interference calls. 3 of them were on 1 drive. Did Massey draw those penalties or did SRU just screw up? None of them were perfect passes.

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  • iupgroundhog
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    Originally posted by EyeoftheHawk View Post

    Okungu played. I saw him in there for several snaps in the second half and he shows up in the participation statistics. He didn’t make a single play that got tallied on the stat sheet. When I saw he was in the game I watched him specifically and he got no push and was a non-factor. Granted, he’s been injured so I imagine we weren’t seeing his best.

    The Rock offensive line owned IUP’s D-line. They ran for basically 200 (196) and didn’t allow a single sack. Not one. When IUP knew they had to throw late, they still couldn’t get a push. That’s where the game was won.
    I don't expect IUP to get to Long much. I do think he had some trouble with the IUP defense as a whole, though. Outside of that 72 yard TD he only had about 130 yards passing. Statistically, it's a tie across all statistics. Take away the 72 yarder and IUP is ahead statistically. IUP did start the freshman DE in place of Okungu. I think our defense is going to get better.

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