Regional Rankings

[lleachieshusband]

Bottom line is, if you are a team with a chance to make the PO's, you better win out and let the chips fall where they may. Most of these teams in that situation have no one to blame but themselves it they don't make the PO's.

Which is unfortunately why I follow MelT’s script for success: win the conference outright and then worry about playoffs. You have to pretty much go undefeated to lock down a playoff spot or 1-loss to have a good shot from a silo’d conference.

[Brandon]

Would PI be sensitive enough to produce a significant difference between teams that would otherwise be equal in a silo scenario? For example, Harding vs NW? I have no idea how PI is calculated is why I'm asking.

I am trying to find the values, but essentially a team gets 30 points for a win over a >.900 opponent on the road, 29 points for a >.900 opponent at home, etc.

If I remember correctly, the difference between CSM's win over an 0-11 team at home is only one point more than the loss at GVSU on the road.

[Brandon]

Matt Witwicki found it for me.

20 - Win at Home vs. below .099
19 - Loss on the Road vs. .900 or above

Help me work through a theoretical situation where there are two, 10-team conferences and they play each other in two non-con games.

Let's assume Conference A wins every non-con game versus Conference B.

[Inkblot]

Would PI be sensitive enough to produce a significant difference between teams that would otherwise be equal in a silo scenario? For example, Harding vs NW? I have no idea how PI is calculated is why I'm asking.

It gives a slight advantage to teams that played 6 road games over teams that played 5 road games, but that's about it.

[CatFan88]

Matt Witwicki found it for me.

20 - Win at Home vs. below .099
19 - Loss on the Road vs. .900 or above

Help me work through a theoretical situation where there are two, 10-team conferences and they play each other in two non-con games.

Let's assume Conference A wins every non-con game versus Conference B.

It it something like this? I found this for volleyball...

23 − Win on road against a .750 or above team
22 − Win neutral-site game against a .750 or above team
21 − Win at home against a .750 or above team
20 − Win on road against a .500-.749 team
19 − Win neutral site game against a .500-.749 team
18 − Win at home against a .500-.749 team
17 − Win on road against a .250- .499 team
16 − Win neutral site game against a .250-.499 team
15 − Win at home against a .250-.499 team
14 − Win on road against a .000-.249 team
13 − Win neutral site game against a .000-.249 team
12 − Win at home against a .000-.249 team
11 − Road loss to .750 or above team
10 − Neutral site loss to a .750 or above team
9 − Home loss to a .750 or above team
8 − Road loss to a .500-.749 team
7 − Neutral site loss to a .500-.749 team
6 − Home loss to a .500-.749 team
5 − Road loss to a .250-.499 team
4 − Neutral site loss to a .250-.499 team
3 − Home loss to a .250-.499 team
2 − Road loss to a .000-.250 team
1 − Neutral site loss to a .000-.250 team
0 − Home loss to a .000-.250 team

[OldBison]

So we are looking at Davenport ferris and GV. From gliac Truman/Indy Winner. OBU. From GAC,and Pitt from MIAA. Theses six should be in unless a random disaster 7th Then last spot is fight between Harding , ESU/NW winner, and loser from Truman/Indy all the teams will be 9-2. Any I'm missing ?

I wouldn’t overthink this too much. I think we all know what’s going to happen if the committee puts in GVS, Ferris, Pitt, Ouachita, UIndy, Davenport and Truman. With only Harding (who will probably win out and 9-2) and NWMSU (who will probably win out and 9-2) the committee will probably do the politically correct thing and put NWMSU as the 7th seed.

[Predatory Primates]

I wouldn’t overthink this too much. I think we all know what’s going to happen if the committee puts in GVS, Ferris, Pitt, Ouachita, UIndy, Davenport and Truman. With only Harding (who will probably win out and 9-2) and NWMSU (who will probably win out and 9-2) the committee will probably do the politically correct thing and put NWMSU as the 7th seed.

I'm rooting for ESU. It'll keep the guesswork alive.

[Brandon]

It it something like this? I found this for volleyball...

23 − Win on road against a .750 or above team
22 − Win neutral-site game against a .750 or above team
21 − Win at home against a .750 or above team
20 − Win on road against a .500-.749 team
19 − Win neutral site game against a .500-.749 team
18 − Win at home against a .500-.749 team
17 − Win on road against a .250- .499 team
16 − Win neutral site game against a .250-.499 team
15 − Win at home against a .250-.499 team
14 − Win on road against a .000-.249 team
13 − Win neutral site game against a .000-.249 team
12 − Win at home against a .000-.249 team
11 − Road loss to .750 or above team
10 − Neutral site loss to a .750 or above team
9 − Home loss to a .750 or above team
8 − Road loss to a .500-.749 team
7 − Neutral site loss to a .500-.749 team
6 − Home loss to a .500-.749 team
5 − Road loss to a .250-.499 team
4 − Neutral site loss to a .250-.499 team
3 − Home loss to a .250-.499 team
2 − Road loss to a .000-.250 team
1 − Neutral site loss to a .000-.250 team
0 − Home loss to a .000-.250 team

Football starts at 39 and breaks at .100 intervals.

39 - Win on the road vs. .900 or better
39 - Win neutral site vs. .900 or better
38 - Win at home vs. .900 or better

37 - Win on the road vs. .800-.899
37 - Win neutral site vs. .800-.899
36 - Win at home vs. vs. .800-.899

Etc......

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[NWFanatic]

I wouldn’t overthink this too much. I think we all know what’s going to happen if the committee puts in GVS, Ferris, Pitt, Ouachita, UIndy, Davenport and Truman. With only Harding (who will probably win out and 9-2) and NWMSU (who will probably win out and 9-2) the committee will probably do the politically correct thing and put NWMSU as the 7th seed.

IF it comes down to HU vs NWMSU for the last spot would NWMSU’s PO success vs HU be a subconscious factor?

[GorillaTeacher]

It really doesn't even matter if it is. That's the reason there is a committee and not just a formula.

[NWHoops]

IF it comes down to HU vs NWMSU for the last spot would NWMSU’s PO success vs HU be a subconscious factor?

As I outlined above, it's possible the ESU/NW winner will have a better record against .500 or better teams than Harding. That could be the data point they use to justify NW/ESU over Harding.

[reloadmvp]

It really doesn't even matter if it is. That's the reason there is a committee and not just a formula.

A committee that favors NW. for sure

[GoCatsGo5]

Beat NW and that favoritism should help you get in.
Lose and it won’t matter.
That simple!

[mosofan1]

Beat NW and that favoritism should help you get in.
Lose and it won’t matter.
That simple!

I'm sure NW is overlooking my Lions and looking ahead to what may really be a playoff game vs. ESU. If we pull off the surprise like UCO did, this part of the debate would be over and it would be back to Fire RW.

[GoCatsGo5]

I'm sure NW is overlooking my Lions and looking ahead to what may really be a playoff game vs. ESU. If we pull off the surprise like UCO did, this part of the debate would be over and it would be back to Fire RW.

Don’t read into things that aren’t there. I didn’t even mention MOSo, nor was it implied/inferred. Anywho…

1. I seriously doubt HCRW or any of the other staff or players are looking past anyone, let alone YOUR Lions at this point. As I stated a couple weeks ago, NW has to win out to even have a chance to slide into a 7-seed.
2. I was referring to Emporia chances of getting in, not NW’s.
3. We lose to a rebuilding UCO team and perennial bottom quadrant MoSo team the same season and maybe those debates are warranted.