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  • Re: West Liberty Hilltopper Basketball

    As with any individual game, don't want to read too much into it. Now if we are seeing the same sort of problems for several games in a row, yea, might be time to worry.

    Just my general take on the game. WLU had a VERY poor 3 point shooting night. Typically that happens one or two times a year. When that does happen, we become a very beatable team although we USUALLY find a way to gut it out and win close (like THIS game!).

    Got to look at the little things in a game like this. For example, WLU shot 46% inside the 3 point line in the first half (11/24) and bumped that up to 61% in the second (14/23). While 3 extra 2 point buckets don't seem like much, in a tight game like this those 6 points are critical. On the defensive end, WLU ratcheted up the D taking Sheeps inside the arc shooting down from 52% in the first half to 48% in the second (shot one fewer bucket). Small swings but enough for WLU to turn a 2 point halftime deficit into a 1 point win.

    Something that I don't like...after a 3 ball to extend our lead to 10 with about 4 minutes to play, we went 0-5 shooting from 3 point range and 0-2 inside the arc!! While going 0-7 down the stretch is annoying, what is really upsetting is the shot selection. Players need to have a feel for the game and that feel last night should have been, we ain't shooting the 3 ball well tonight...with 4 minutes to play and a 10 point lead the shooters have to take a few extra dribbles and bring it in closer for more manageable 2 point trys. WLU loves trading 3 for 2 but sometimes the players have to realize that in a particular point in some games, 2 for 2 is the way to go.
    Last edited by boatcapt; 12-07-2018, 08:46 AM.

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    • Re: West Liberty Hilltopper Basketball

      Originally posted by boatcapt View Post
      As with any individual game, don't want to read too much into it. Now if we are seeing the same sort of problems for several games in a row, yea, might be time to worry.

      Just my general take on the game. WLU had a VERY poor 3 point shooting night. Typically that happens one or two times a year. When that does happen, we become a very beatable team although we USUALLY find a way to gut it out and win close (like THIS game!).

      Got to look at the little things in a game like this. For example, WLU shot 46% inside the 3 point line in the first half (11/24) and bumped that up to 61% in the second (14/23). While 3 extra 2 point buckets don't seem like much, in a tight game like this those 6 points are critical. On the defensive end, WLU ratcheted up the D taking Sheeps inside the arc shooting down from 52% in the first half to 48% in the second (shot one fewer bucket). Small swings but enough for WLU to turn a 2 point halftime deficit into a 1 point win.

      Something that I don't like...after a 3 ball to extend our lead to 10 with about 4 minutes to play, we went 0-5 shooting from 3 point range and 0-2 inside the arc!! While going 0-7 down the stretch is annoying, what is really upsetting is the shot selection. Players need to have a feel for the game and that feel last night should have been, we ain't shooting the 3 ball well tonight...with 4 minutes to play and a 10 point lead the shooters have to take a few extra dribbles and bring it in closer for more manageable 2 point trys. WLU loves trading 3 for 2 but sometimes the players have to realize that in a particular point in some games, 2 for 2 is the way to go.
      As you mentioned, We show our youth sometimes with our shot selection that does not consider the game situation. We did not make enough passes to get easy inside shots with the possibility of the and-1; they have to realize that the motion offense will escalate the fatigue that the opponent experiences from the press. It keeps them from resting on defense.
      In watching the game replay, I thought that the rebounding effort of WL was a big factor in the win; I don't know if it was by design or due to fatigue, but Shepherd rarely sent anyone to the offensive boards, even their big man Burgess.

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        Originally posted by Columbuseer View Post
        As you mentioned, We show our youth sometimes with our shot selection that does not consider the game situation. We did not make enough passes to get easy inside shots with the possibility of the and-1; they have to realize that the motion offense will escalate the fatigue that the opponent experiences from the press. It keeps them from resting on defense.
        In watching the game replay, I thought that the rebounding effort of WL was a big factor in the win; I don't know if it was by design or due to fatigue, but Shepherd rarely sent anyone to the offensive boards, even their big man Burgess.
        I imagine it is hard. Good shooters have confidence in their shot at ALL times so it has to be hard for them to even admit to themselves that maybe a better course of action is to step in 10 feet and hit the easier jumper. It's a rare player who can maintain his confidence while admitting to himself that he's a little off tonight. I'll give a ding to the coach here and say that the shooting was so bad team wide that he should have moved the offensive sets in and emphasized getting inside down the stretch to Dyer and Arnold.

        Guess it comes with experience, but at the end of most Topper games the players have got to realize they are trading points for time...If there up by 10, there are 3 minutes to play and you trade 2 point buckets with a team and both possessions take 30 total seconds, the other team now has only 2:30 to score 10 and beat you. Yea...you're confident you can make the 3 and if you do, fine. But if you don't, the other team now has 2:30 seconds to score 8 points to beat you.
        Last edited by boatcapt; 12-07-2018, 02:17 PM.

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        • Re: West Liberty Hilltopper Basketball

          Originally posted by boatcapt View Post
          As with any individual game, don't want to read too much into it. Now if we are seeing the same sort of problems for several games in a row, yea, might be time to worry.

          Just my general take on the game. WLU had a VERY poor 3 point shooting night. Typically that happens one or two times a year. When that does happen, we become a very beatable team although we USUALLY find a way to gut it out and win close (like THIS game!).

          Got to look at the little things in a game like this. For example, WLU shot 46% inside the 3 point line in the first half (11/24) and bumped that up to 61% in the second (14/23). While 3 extra 2 point buckets don't seem like much, in a tight game like this those 6 points are critical. On the defensive end, WLU ratcheted up the D taking Sheeps inside the arc shooting down from 52% in the first half to 48% in the second (shot one fewer bucket). Small swings but enough for WLU to turn a 2 point halftime deficit into a 1 point win.

          Something that I don't like...after a 3 ball to extend our lead to 10 with about 4 minutes to play, we went 0-5 shooting from 3 point range and 0-2 inside the arc!! While going 0-7 down the stretch is annoying, what is really upsetting is the shot selection. Players need to have a feel for the game and that feel last night should have been, we ain't shooting the 3 ball well tonight...with 4 minutes to play and a 10 point lead the shooters have to take a few extra dribbles and bring it in closer for more manageable 2 point trys. WLU loves trading 3 for 2 but sometimes the players have to realize that in a particular point in some games, 2 for 2 is the way to go.
          Did they actually 'shoot bad' or actually just get defended?

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          • Re: West Liberty Hilltopper Basketball

            Originally posted by IUPbigINDIANS View Post
            Did they actually 'shoot bad' or actually just get defended?
            My opinion, as I mentioned above, is that Shepherd's D had a lot to do with the bad shooting night. And I did go back and watch Howlett's post-game presser today. Maybe it's just coach-speak or a respectful nod to his friend Namolik, but Howlett also gave a lot of credit to Shepherd's D in his post-game comments.

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            • Re: West Liberty Hilltopper Basketball

              Originally posted by IUPbigINDIANS View Post
              Did they actually 'shoot bad' or actually just get defended?
              Shoot bad.

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              • Re: West Liberty Hilltopper Basketball

                Loss at Fairmont by 2. We now sit with 2 losses a quarter of the way into the season...about 6 teams above us with 0 or 1 loss. But at least we have a strong SOS!!

                Next up is Kings. They should be easy, right? We should be a stronger team because we played Kutz and WCU early as well as NDC and Fairmont.
                Last edited by boatcapt; 12-10-2018, 06:31 AM.

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                • Re: West Liberty Hilltopper Basketball

                  That one note you keep playing is getting a bit off key, Boat.

                  The road to the Elite 8 goes through Indiana this year, so whatever WLU needs to do to prepare to play a tough opponent on the road, they should do. Challenging a red hot Jolly in Retton yesterday is a first step. Playing a tough King squad at their place should be a good test as well. These are big-time, character-building games. Yahel Hill grew up a ton yesterday, and that might pay dividends in March. Meininger is getting a ton of experience banging with top-notch bigs (he did out-rebound Burgess in the Shepherd game, but FSU seemed to own the boards yesterday). Those are big match-ups for Meiny to get under his belt. He's going to have Diaz to deal with on his home floor in the Regional, so Meiny needs these games right now to get used to banging in there (without fouling so frequently). This is all good experience. Boat, you can wish for the days of WLU lapping the field with a 30-1 record, but those days are gone. FSU has caught up. IUP is back and better than ever. Shippensburg is for real. The region is stronger, so WLU needs to work to get stronger. You don't get stronger spanking Point State by 60 points. Period.

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                  • Re: West Liberty Hilltopper Basketball

                    Originally posted by Scrub View Post
                    That one note you keep playing is getting a bit off key, Boat.

                    The road to the Elite 8 goes through Indiana this year, so whatever WLU needs to do to prepare to play a tough opponent on the road, they should do. Challenging a red hot Jolly in Retton yesterday is a first step. Playing a tough King squad at their place should be a good test as well. These are big-time, character-building games. Yahel Hill grew up a ton yesterday, and that might pay dividends in March. Meininger is getting a ton of experience banging with top-notch bigs (he did out-rebound Burgess in the Shepherd game, but FSU seemed to own the boards yesterday). Those are big match-ups for Meiny to get under his belt. He's going to have Diaz to deal with on his home floor in the Regional, so Meiny needs these games right now to get used to banging in there (without fouling so frequently). This is all good experience. Boat, you can wish for the days of WLU lapping the field with a 30-1 record, but those days are gone. FSU has caught up. IUP is back and better than ever. Shippensburg is for real. The region is stronger, so WLU needs to work to get stronger. You don't get stronger spanking Point State by 60 points. Period.

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                    • Re: West Liberty Hilltopper Basketball

                      I believe that it is King. I think they will be a really tough opponent on the road. You are still probably the better team, but they have traditionally been a good team.

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                      • Re: West Liberty Hilltopper Basketball

                        Originally posted by Scrub View Post
                        That one note you keep playing is getting a bit off key, Boat.

                        The road to the Elite 8 goes through Indiana this year, so whatever WLU needs to do to prepare to play a tough opponent on the road, they should do. Challenging a red hot Jolly in Retton yesterday is a first step. Playing a tough King squad at their place should be a good test as well. These are big-time, character-building games. Yahel Hill grew up a ton yesterday, and that might pay dividends in March. Meininger is getting a ton of experience banging with top-notch bigs (he did out-rebound Burgess in the Shepherd game, but FSU seemed to own the boards yesterday). Those are big match-ups for Meiny to get under his belt. He's going to have Diaz to deal with on his home floor in the Regional, so Meiny needs these games right now to get used to banging in there (without fouling so frequently). This is all good experience. Boat, you can wish for the days of WLU lapping the field with a 30-1 record, but those days are gone. FSU has caught up. IUP is back and better than ever. Shippensburg is for real. The region is stronger, so WLU needs to work to get stronger. You don't get stronger spanking Point State by 60 points. Period.
                        Good points. FSU recruits many of the guys Wlu recruits. Wlu has to learn how to defend the inside game without fouling and while leaving open only the weakest outside shooter in help defense. Imho Much more important to learn how to defend big teams. Else out we go in first round whether we host or not.

                        This is a young team and may lose some games. Next year folks better look out when you consider the talent coming from in and the additional year of experience. it is payback time against FSU! Lol!

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                        • Re: West Liberty Hilltopper Basketball

                          Can someone at West Liberty correct the following:
                          From an iPhone, when going to your site and wanting to check out this season's men's basketball stats, the link takes me to your women's team stats.

                          Thanks in advance.

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                          • Re: West Liberty Hilltopper Basketball

                            Originally posted by MisterWizard View Post
                            Can someone at West Liberty correct the following:
                            From an iPhone, when going to your site and wanting to check out this season's men's basketball stats, the link takes me to your women's team stats.

                            Thanks in advance.
                            Sent email to Wlu sid. Thanks for finding the error.

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                            • Re: West Liberty Hilltopper Basketball

                              Originally posted by Scrub View Post
                              That one note you keep playing is getting a bit off key, Boat.

                              The road to the Elite 8 goes through Indiana this year, so whatever WLU needs to do to prepare to play a tough opponent on the road, they should do. Challenging a red hot Jolly in Retton yesterday is a first step. Playing a tough King squad at their place should be a good test as well. These are big-time, character-building games. Yahel Hill grew up a ton yesterday, and that might pay dividends in March. Meininger is getting a ton of experience banging with top-notch bigs (he did out-rebound Burgess in the Shepherd game, but FSU seemed to own the boards yesterday). Those are big match-ups for Meiny to get under his belt. He's going to have Diaz to deal with on his home floor in the Regional, so Meiny needs these games right now to get used to banging in there (without fouling so frequently). This is all good experience. Boat, you can wish for the days of WLU lapping the field with a 30-1 record, but those days are gone. FSU has caught up. IUP is back and better than ever. Shippensburg is for real. The region is stronger, so WLU needs to work to get stronger. You don't get stronger spanking Point State by 60 points. Period.
                              Losses have consequences. We are effectively 1/4 of the way through the season and as it stands right now, WLU is behind undefeated IUP, Chowan and one loss Mercyhurst...we are behind (based on H to H) Fairmont...we are tied with two loss Shippensburg, ESU and Shaw. Obviously the playoffs are not right now but if they were, best case is WLU would be the #5 seed and worst case we wouldn't even be in the playoffs.

                              Can talk all day long about being better prepared for the playoffs because we played two strong teams to open the season and how our SOS will be better but at the end of the season, losing games has consequences that out weight SOS. I would venture to bet that every year there are a bunch of teams with stellar SOS that are sitting at home come playoff time because they lost too many games.

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                              • Re: West Liberty Hilltopper Basketball

                                WLU marched into Tennessee and took down a very tough King University squad 116-95. Toppers lead from the opening shot and never trailed pushing out to 25 point leads in the first half and 37 point leads in the second. WLU shot a blistering 61% from the field and dropped 55% of it's threes against the defensively outmatched Tornados while the Topper D smothered King's three ball attempts to the tune of 20%. Every Topper had a hand in scoring with Bolon leading the pack with 30. Other leaders included Dyer with 7 assists, Mehininger with 6 rebounds, Dyer and Moore with 3 steals each, and Yochum going 3-3 from three.

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