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  • Originally posted by boatcapt View Post

    IUP schedules teams for it's tourney to fill certain roles. The role of WVW and Concord is not to win or even give IUP a tough game. Their purpose is to give IUP someone to practice against at game speed and under game circumstances and give the team a 2-0 start.
    Even if that's true, Boat, isn't that the side of the schedule debate you inhabited for many years? You always argued that it was better for WLU to start out 2-0 against Clarion & Mansfield than to invite Kutztown, ESU, or the like down here to play. So even if Joe is scheduling IUP with an eye toward hosting the Regional, how is that different from the argument you and I (and others) had for years about Crutch's scheduling? You were always in favor of an easy non-con to rack up wins and try to host. Has your position changed?

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    • Originally posted by boatcapt View Post

      IUP schedules teams for it's tourney to fill certain roles. The role of WVW and Concord is not to win or even give IUP a tough game. Their purpose is to give IUP someone to practice against at game speed and under game circumstances and give the team a 2-0 start.
      And, half the teams are playing D3s.

      Joe's played 5 games .... 1 tomato can.

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      • Originally posted by IUPbigINDIANS View Post

        And, half the teams are playing D3s.

        Joe's played 5 games .... 1 tomato can.
        Hummmm...They had a second tomato can on their schedule in the form of Salem but Salem backed out. IUP is also no stranger to scheduling D3's as tomato can games. Last D3 IUP victim was Bethany which they beat by 61 points!

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        • Originally posted by boatcapt View Post

          Hummmm...They had a second tomato can on their schedule in the form of Salem but Salem backed out. IUP is also no stranger to scheduling D3's as tomato can games. Last D3 IUP victim was Bethany which they beat by 61 points!
          I don't get the argument. Joe plays as tough as non-conf as anybody year after year -- and, he's paid the price some years. Crutch was the sissy with that stuff. Ben is stepping up.

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          • The last two games were at opposite ends of the spectrum.
            WLU won against Elite 8 Daemen (with everyone back and healthy unlike their Mercyhurst game) in an ugly offensive game due to shutdown defense, especially in the last 5 minutes, where they totally disrupted them. Probably fatigue was a factor. They won despite a points per possession of 0.88! The 20+ turnovers offset their offensive woes.

            At WV Wesleyan, WLU was playing at a high level offensively and defensively.
            Points per possession of 1.56, which is among the highest ever recorded.
            Forced 20+ turnovers
            90+ % from FT line.
            Hit 19 three at over 45%
            10 guys scored 8 points or more and everyone played at least 13 minutes.

            Whoever can figure out a way to narrow the variation in shooting percentage across games is going to make a lot of $. LOL

            Research has shown that one factor that affects 3 point shooting is the distance of the opponent from the shooter - if opponent over 6 ft away, the percentage is significantly better.
            Corner 3 pt shot is not an easier shot - it is because the opponent is often further away from the corner shooter.
            Also explains why making the extra pass to give up a good shot for a great shot is often sucessful.

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            • Originally posted by Columbuseer View Post
              The last two games were at opposite ends of the spectrum.
              WLU won against Elite 8 Daemen (with everyone back and healthy unlike their Mercyhurst game) in an ugly offensive game due to shutdown defense, especially in the last 5 minutes, where they totally disrupted them. Probably fatigue was a factor. They won despite a points per possession of 0.88! The 20+ turnovers offset their offensive woes.
              I don't love the shooting woes we saw at Daemen, but I do really like the commitment to sit down on D and shut down an opponent. We saw that against Daemen & UPJ (specifically in the second halves of both game). Both of those games felt a bit like how the games feel in March. Your normal stuff may not be clicking and the opponents are better than WVWC, but you gotta find a way. I'm encouraged by the defensive mindset we saw in both of those games.

              And, heck, the points per possession stat would have been even higher against WVWC if it weren't for about 10 silly turnovers once they got comfortable (read: sloppy) late in the second half.

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              • Originally posted by Columbuseer View Post
                The last two games were at opposite ends of the spectrum.
                WLU won against Elite 8 Daemen (with everyone back and healthy unlike their Mercyhurst game) in an ugly offensive game due to shutdown defense, especially in the last 5 minutes, where they totally disrupted them. Probably fatigue was a factor. They won despite a points per possession of 0.88! The 20+ turnovers offset their offensive woes.

                At WV Wesleyan, WLU was playing at a high level offensively and defensively.
                Points per possession of 1.56, which is among the highest ever recorded.
                Forced 20+ turnovers
                90+ % from FT line.
                Hit 19 three at over 45%
                10 guys scored 8 points or more and everyone played at least 13 minutes.

                Whoever can figure out a way to narrow the variation in shooting percentage across games is going to make a lot of $. LOL

                Research has shown that one factor that affects 3 point shooting is the distance of the opponent from the shooter - if opponent over 6 ft away, the percentage is significantly better.
                Corner 3 pt shot is not an easier shot - it is because the opponent is often further away from the corner shooter.
                Also explains why making the extra pass to give up a good shot for a great shot is often sucessful.
                Daemen is a good team and has four losses already (3-4). That's what can happen when you go crazy scheduling paired with injuries.

                I suspect they go on a run but they can't lose too many more.

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                • Originally posted by boatcapt View Post

                  They are. They are the definition of "Tomato Can." We have to play them because they are a conference school but any quality non-MEC school that schedules them has to be questioned for their commitment to playing a tough schedule.
                  Don’t take the bait IUP fa….ahh never mind.

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                  • Originally posted by Chuck Norris View Post

                    Don’t take the bait IUP fa….ahh never mind.
                    That's the most fun part.

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                    • Originally posted by IUPbigINDIANS View Post

                      I don't get the argument. Joe plays as tough as non-conf as anybody year after year -- and, he's paid the price some years. Crutch was the sissy with that stuff. Ben is stepping up.
                      Joe used to schedule hard. Now...not so much. For years all we heard from the IUP faithful was how Joe always scheduled the toughest OOC slate if not in the country, at least in the Atlantic. But over the last several years, IUP's OOC schedule has been much softer.

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                      • Originally posted by boatcapt View Post

                        Joe used to schedule hard. Now...not so much. For years all we heard from the IUP faithful was how Joe always scheduled the toughest OOC slate if not in the country, at least in the Atlantic. But over the last several years, IUP's OOC schedule has been much softer.
                        Here's my theory.


                        This year:

                        Le Moyne - Usually very tough

                        Bowie - Usually very tough

                        Virginia State - Typically a regional power

                        Concord - Decent team ... .500 type

                        WVW - Need at least one meatball.

                        Salem - Didn't happen but they are looking decent and are 5-2

                        Here's the thing. The PSAC is massive. And, we are stuck with (5) crossovers.

                        So, this year, aside from the West, IUP got paired up with West Chester, Ship, Kutz and Millersville. Not to mention a solid Shepherd and a currently undefeated Lock Haven.

                        Add to it Mercyhurst, UPJ, Cal and Gannon twice each.

                        Joe's SOS will be outstanding come Selection Sunday.

                        They already played a 4-year series with Fairmont. IUP and WL can't agree on anything.. Who else, elite, is left to play?

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                        • Originally posted by IUPbigINDIANS View Post

                          Here's my theory.


                          This year:

                          Le Moyne - Usually very tough

                          Bowie - Usually very tough

                          Virginia State - Typically a regional power

                          Concord - Decent team ... .500 type

                          WVW - Need at least one meatball.

                          Salem - Didn't happen but they are looking decent and are 5-2

                          Here's the thing. The PSAC is massive. And, we are stuck with (5) crossovers.

                          So, this year, aside from the West, IUP got paired up with West Chester, Ship, Kutz and Millersville. Not to mention a solid Shepherd and a currently undefeated Lock Haven.

                          Add to it Mercyhurst, UPJ, Cal and Gannon twice each.

                          Joe's SOS will be outstanding come Selection Sunday.

                          They already played a 4-year series with Fairmont. IUP and WL can't agree on anything.. Who else, elite, is left to play?
                          I used to make the same argument about the tough schedule WLU played within the MEC...I was told that the toughness of the in-conference sched didn't matter. ONLY OOC toughness counted. Don't know were the PSAC love for Concord comes from (Cal posters labeled them as a "top tier MEC team") but except for an odd year, they have been middle of the MEC pack at best. Same with Bowie...The hype far outpaces the season to season results which is 500 give or take. Salem is actually 4-3 but I wouldn't get too juiced about them being a non-tomato can...the four opponents they have beaten have a combined four wins. LeMoyne and Va State are typically pretty good.

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                          • Originally posted by boatcapt View Post

                            I used to make the same argument about the tough schedule WLU played within the MEC...I was told that the toughness of the in-conference sched didn't matter. ONLY OOC toughness counted. Don't know were the PSAC love for Concord comes from (Cal posters labeled them as a "top tier MEC team") but except for an odd year, they have been middle of the MEC pack at best. Same with Bowie...The hype far outpaces the season to season results which is 500 give or take. Salem is actually 4-3 but I wouldn't get too juiced about them being a non-tomato can...the four opponents they have beaten have a combined four wins. LeMoyne and Va State are typically pretty good.
                            The PSAC crossover drives the bus. They know that years in advance.

                            So, like this year, IUP has the heavyweights (Ship, WCU, Kutz, Millersville).

                            Some years they get Lock Haven and Mansfield. Those years, bulk up the non-con.

                            But, even with the heavy crossover load this year, Joe still scheduled Le Moyne, VA State and Bowie. He can't predict they'd all be so-so this year..

                            Concord is a steady non-con game. They won't be an anchor. They will give a good fight. But, yes, that is a game they expect to win. But, I will say, the Bolte years they were pretty good.

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                            • Originally posted by IUPbigINDIANS View Post

                              The PSAC crossover drives the bus. They know that years in advance.

                              So, like this year, IUP has the heavyweights (Ship, WCU, Kutz, Millersville).

                              Some years they get Lock Haven and Mansfield. Those years, bulk up the non-con.

                              But, even with the heavy crossover load this year, Joe still scheduled Le Moyne, VA State and Bowie. He can't predict they'd all be so-so this year..

                              Concord is a steady non-con game. They won't be an anchor. They will give a good fight. But, yes, that is a game they expect to win. But, I will say, the Bolte years they were pretty good.
                              Oh I agree that having top tier teams in-conference certainly helps prepare a team for the NCAA playoffs. But I recall that view being panned by the IUP faithful when I brought it up several years ago. Posters specifically said that you needed hard OOC games to prepare you...PERIOD! A hard in-conference slate did nothing to help prepare a team for the rigors of the NCAA. Of course this was during the time when Joe was scheduling tough OOC games every year and Crutch wasn't.

                              I've always felt that scheduling hard games early in the season in an effort to better "prepare" a team for play in March is WAY overrated AND WAY, WAY over rated if you are playing elite teams in-conference.

                              At the end of the day, the most important factor in were a team is seeded is W/L...A 30-0 team is going to have the inside tract to the #1 regional seed over a 29-1 team. Make no mistake, scheduling over the top tough OOC games to start the season increases the chances a team is going to suffer a loss (or 2 or 3). And let's be honest here, the #1 regional seed is what IUP and WLU are playing for every year. MAYBE one of us can overcome a one loss difference with a kick-a$$ SOS but a two loss difference is going to be almost impossibe to overcome.

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                              • First big MEC game tonight against 7-1 Charleston tonight. Color me very nervous about this one. While WLU has one three straight since losing to NDC, the manner they have won those games has not given me much confidence. Offensively, WLU is all over the place. We've swung from shooting 56% from 3 in the first half of the WVW game to 11% in the first half of the D&E game. The offence just seems very different than what we've seen for the last number of years when it just appeared very smooth (run the weave, get the ball onto the wing, reverse with a couple of crisp passes for an open 3...This year it just seems more herky-jerky with players getting the ball and almost immediately driving the lane).

                                The last two games have been poor opportunities for the Toppers to work out their offensive kinks. Yea, we won both by BIG margins but we were so much better than them that we could do almost anything, and still pull away. I fear it reinforced the bad things we saw in the loss to NDC and the narrow poorly played win over Daemen.

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