Announcement

Collapse
No announcement yet.

Iup basketball

Collapse

Support The Site!

Collapse
X
 
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • Originally posted by TopperNation View Post

    I think IUP is a solid program but let's not get that far ahead of ourselves, as Townson and Buffalo both would both be a few levels up then the Crimson Hawks. Let's not forget there are teams like Syracuse (120) Maryland (119), and even Louisville (176) ranked below 100. IUP would have a shot at teams in the 300's though.
    This is a joke right?

    Comment


    • On a given night, elite D2 teams could rise up and possibly pull a major upset.

      But, even the best D2 teams couldn't survive a full season up there. Getting up for one game is much easier than running a gauntlet.

      For starters, I don't think the D1 teams spend much time scouting D2 teams for exhibition games.

      IUP made the Final Four this year but wasn't anywhere near what it would have been with Shawndale Jones. Add to it Armoni Foster played with one hand the final two months.

      If Joe had this year's team fully healthy ... he could have probably beat many lower mid-majors.

      Comment


      • Originally posted by IUPbigINDIANS View Post
        On a given night, elite D2 teams could rise up and possibly pull a major upset.

        But, even the best D2 teams couldn't survive a full season up there. Getting up for one game is much easier than running a gauntlet.

        For starters, I don't think the D1 teams spend much time scouting D2 teams for exhibition games.

        IUP made the Final Four this year but wasn't anywhere near what it would have been with Shawndale Jones. Add to it Armoni Foster played with one hand the final two months.

        If Joe had this year's team fully healthy ... he could have probably beat many lower mid-majors.
        I agree that d1 is much too physical for a d2 team to survive a full season. Not a fan of bully boy basketball.

        But have you seen the knucklehead plays and lack of fundamentals exhibited by many d1 teams? And weak defense? Heat check shots? Very low points per possession as a result. D1 players can't seem to grasp that an open 8 ft. pull up jumper counts the same as a windmill dunk, for they spend inordinate amounts of time on the latter.

        Of the elite 8 teams, IUP had the roster most resembling a D1 team plus a great coach, great defense and good discipline on offense. They could match up reasonably well physically with many non p5 teams.

        How often does a 100+ ranked d1 team play an elite d2 team in exhibition? How many nearby schools want to play iup or wlu? Heck, Toledo only beat a decent, but not elite, Findlay 83-78 in Oct 2021.

        I am not in awe of elite d1 athletic ability unless it is accompanied by an understanding of the game. Heck Denver could not even communicate a simple switch against Golden state.

        Comment


        • Originally posted by Columbuseer View Post

          I agree that d1 is much too physical for a d2 team to survive a full season. Not a fan of bully boy basketball.

          But have you seen the knucklehead plays and lack of fundamentals exhibited by many d1 teams? And weak defense? Heat check shots? Very low points per possession as a result. D1 players can't seem to grasp that an open 8 ft. pull up jumper counts the same as a windmill dunk, for they spend inordinate amounts of time on the latter.

          Of the elite 8 teams, IUP had the roster most resembling a D1 team plus a great coach, great defense and good discipline on offense. They could match up reasonably well physically with many non p5 teams.

          How often does a 100+ ranked d1 team play an elite d2 team in exhibition? How many nearby schools want to play iup or wlu? Heck, Toledo only beat a decent, but not elite, Findlay 83-78 in Oct 2021.

          I am not in awe of elite d1 athletic ability unless it is accompanied by an understanding of the game. Heck Denver could not even communicate a simple switch against Golden state.

          I think that's the double-edged sword of major D1 basketball. If we're going to use the word 'elite' ... in most peoples' minds that narrows the field to the Blue Bloods, Gonzaga, etc.

          Gonzaga is the exception to modern, 'elite' D1 basketball. They probably function more like an elite D2 than elite D1 -- meaning, they aren't full of one-and-done players, their primary offense isn't 'playground', etc.

          But, I will say this: Gonzaga is much better against D1 'elite' teams early in the season than later in the season. They get most of their big, marquee wins in November and December -- when the elite D1 teams are still full of their lottery picks but who are raw to the college game. By the time March rolls around ... and those kids aren't kids anymore ... Gonzaga's success rate takes a big dip.

          That wasn't a great IUP team at the end of the season in terms of basketball. It was a great team in terms of overcoming adversity. They were so beat up -- much more so than the masses know about. They lost their star in Game 7. Their other star had one hand from Jan-March (and it wasn't his shooting hand). Ethan Porterfield lost about 35 lbs over the course of the season due to a prolonged illness. David Morris had a bad ankle the last two months. Tommy Demogerontas missed a ton of games and had a bad knee all year. It's just incredible what they did as a program.

          If you could get a time machine and take Joe's November team and play mid-major D1's ... I'd give them a pretty good shot most nights.

          Comment


          • Every day I log in to VC ... waiting to see Fred Mulbah signing with IUP.

            I hope today is the day.

            Comment


            • Originally posted by IUPbigINDIANS View Post
              Every day I log in to VC ... waiting to see Fred Mulbah signing with IUP.

              I hope today is the day.
              Hahahaha... Joe might have something even bigger on tap.

              Comment


              • Originally posted by IUPalum View Post

                Hahahaha... Joe might have something even bigger on tap.
                I trust in the big guy.

                I remember two years ago we were waiting for some other transfer import and all the sudden we saw Joe signed a kid from England named Tomiwa Sulaiman.

                That turned out pretty well.

                BTW, I haven't given up hope on Armoni. Testing the water doesn't always mean jumping ship.

                Comment


                • Originally posted by IUPbigINDIANS View Post


                  I think that's the double-edged sword of major D1 basketball. If we're going to use the word 'elite' ... in most peoples' minds that narrows the field to the Blue Bloods, Gonzaga, etc.

                  Gonzaga is the exception to modern, 'elite' D1 basketball. They probably function more like an elite D2 than elite D1 -- meaning, they aren't full of one-and-done players, their primary offense isn't 'playground', etc.

                  But, I will say this: Gonzaga is much better against D1 'elite' teams early in the season than later in the season. They get most of their big, marquee wins in November and December -- when the elite D1 teams are still full of their lottery picks but who are raw to the college game. By the time March rolls around ... and those kids aren't kids anymore ... Gonzaga's success rate takes a big dip.

                  That wasn't a great IUP team at the end of the season in terms of basketball. It was a great team in terms of overcoming adversity. They were so beat up -- much more so than the masses know about. They lost their star in Game 7. Their other star had one hand from Jan-March (and it wasn't his shooting hand). Ethan Porterfield lost about 35 lbs over the course of the season due to a prolonged illness. David Morris had a bad ankle the last two months. Tommy Demogerontas missed a ton of games and had a bad knee all year. It's just incredible what they did as a program.

                  If you could get a time machine and take Joe's November team and play mid-major D1's ... I'd give them a pretty good shot most nights.
                  Great points. Just to clarify, by elite athletic ability, I was referring to the individual athletic advantage that many d1 schools have over good d2 schools, not blue blood teams in top 100 loaded with potential NBA level talent. D2 schools would not win the pregame warmup against d1. Lol
                  so many d1 teams tolerate their d1 athletically elite players playing with a middle school understanding of the game. That levels the playing field against very good d2 teams.

                  Gonzaga is one of my favorite teams, with elite points per possession of about 1.20. High iq basketball.

                  However a bad shooting night or a bad matchup can doom them against more athletic teams.However, they have an enviable record in the postseason.
                  Gonzaga Season By Season Results
                  SEASON W-L RESULTS
                  2022 2-1 Defeated Memphis in second round, 82-78
                  2021 5-1 Defeated Creighton in regional semifinal, 83-65
                  Defeated USC in regional final, 85-66
                  Defeated UCLA in National Semifinal, 93-90
                  Lost to Baylor in National Championship, 86-70
                  2019 3-1 Defeated Baylor in second round, 83-71
                  2017 5-1 Defeated Northwestern in second round, 79-73
                  Defeated Xavier in regional final, 83-59
                  Lost to North Carolina in National Championship, 71-65
                  2016 2-1 Lost to Syracuse in regional semifinal, 63-60
                  2015 3-1 Defeated North Dakota State in first round, 86-76
                  Defeated Iowa in second round, 87-68
                  Defeated UCLA in regional semifinal, 74-62
                  Lost to Duke in regional final, 66-52
                  2014 1-1 Lost to Arizona in second round, 84-61
                  2013 1-1 Lost to Wichita State in second round, 76-70
                  2010 1-1 Lost to Syracuse in second round, 87-65
                  2009 2-1 Defeated Akron in first round, 77-64
                  Defeated Western Kentucky in second round, 83-81
                  Lost to North Carolina in regional semifinal, 98-77

                  Comment


                  • Originally posted by Columbuseer View Post

                    Great points. Just to clarify, by elite athletic ability, I was referring to the individual athletic advantage that many d1 schools have over good d2 schools, not blue blood teams in top 100 loaded with potential NBA level talent. D2 schools would not win the pregame warmup against d1. Lol
                    so many d1 teams tolerate their d1 athletically elite players playing with a middle school understanding of the game. That levels the playing field against very good d2 teams.

                    Gonzaga is one of my favorite teams, with elite points per possession of about 1.20. High iq basketball.

                    However a bad shooting night or a bad matchup can doom them against more athletic teams.However, they have an enviable record in the postseason.
                    Gonzaga Season By Season Results
                    SEASON W-L RESULTS
                    2022 2-1 Defeated Memphis in second round, 82-78
                    2021 5-1 Defeated Creighton in regional semifinal, 83-65
                    Defeated USC in regional final, 85-66
                    Defeated UCLA in National Semifinal, 93-90
                    Lost to Baylor in National Championship, 86-70
                    2019 3-1 Defeated Baylor in second round, 83-71
                    2017 5-1 Defeated Northwestern in second round, 79-73
                    Defeated Xavier in regional final, 83-59
                    Lost to North Carolina in National Championship, 71-65
                    2016 2-1 Lost to Syracuse in regional semifinal, 63-60
                    2015 3-1 Defeated North Dakota State in first round, 86-76
                    Defeated Iowa in second round, 87-68
                    Defeated UCLA in regional semifinal, 74-62
                    Lost to Duke in regional final, 66-52
                    2014 1-1 Lost to Arizona in second round, 84-61
                    2013 1-1 Lost to Wichita State in second round, 76-70
                    2010 1-1 Lost to Syracuse in second round, 87-65
                    2009 2-1 Defeated Akron in first round, 77-64
                    Defeated Western Kentucky in second round, 83-81
                    Lost to North Carolina in regional semifinal, 98-77
                    Those of us who went to school at Northwestern will never forget the stunningly obvious goaltending call that was missed late in the Gonzaga-Northwestern game and the resultant technical foul on Chris Collins that completely changed the momentum of that game.

                    Comment


                    • Fyi

                      in case you did not know the type of coach running the Augusta Univ. Basketball Program. Definitely D1 coaching potential.

                      https://www.theaugustapress.com/au-b...ty-violations/

                      Comment


                      • Originally posted by Columbuseer View Post
                        Fyi

                        in case you did not know the type of coach running the Augusta Univ. Basketball Program. Definitely D1 coaching potential.

                        https://www.theaugustapress.com/au-b...ty-violations/
                        They should be required to forfeit their wins in the tournament, not that it helps the other teams much at this point.

                        Comment


                        • Originally posted by Columbuseer View Post
                          Fyi

                          in case you did not know the type of coach running the Augusta Univ. Basketball Program. Definitely D1 coaching potential.

                          https://www.theaugustapress.com/au-b...ty-violations/
                          I read about that prior to the game.

                          If you ain't cheatin' ... you ain't racin'

                          LOL

                          Comment


                          • Ousmane Diop hit the portal.


                            Seems the big guy is clearing up some coin.

                            Comment


                            • Originally posted by IUPbigINDIANS View Post
                              Ousmane Diop hit the portal.


                              Seems the big guy is clearing up some coin.
                              Is he clearing coin or did Diop want more PT? I can see why Diop would want out if he did. He didn't get much run in real games and is very athletic. His D did wory me but the only way to fix that is play!

                              Comment


                              • Well, Joe's shopping list is getting a little bit bigger.

                                4/21 Roster:

                                Guards: Shawndale, David, Dallis, Polce

                                Forwards: Tomiwa, Ethan, Brooks, Waldo

                                Utility: KJ

                                Deep Bench: Burk, Enrique


                                Departed: Armoni, Diop, Radford

                                Graduated: Demo



                                By my count, Joe should have at or very close to (3) equivalencies available. Armoni and Demo likely both had full rides and Radford/Diop likely combined for (1) equivalency.


                                Comment

                                Ad3

                                Collapse
                                Working...
                                X