Moving Day 2025

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Bloomfield College has not had the NCAA logo or the CACC logo on their site for 2 or 3 years. Now their logo has been removed from the CACC site. Bloomfield has also been removed from the NCAA directory. OP has been updated.

On the flip side, the USCAA now has them listed as a member. Seems like a good place for them, given their current trajectory

[Tundra_Man]

This old Academy of Art logo is sorely missed and sadly never to return.

For some reason that reminds me of the old Sinistar video game.

[ctrabs74]

On the flip side, the USCAA now has them listed as a member. Seems like a good place for them, given their current trajectory

Most of the Bloomfield programs were being relegated to club sport status post-Montclair State merger:

https://www.montclair.edu/newscenter...ogram-in-2025/

[Bballfan]

I won't be the one to start the thread, but I almost feel a separate "In Memoriam" thread might need to be necessary.

You are not wrong. The first of many no doubt.

[the Northeasterner]

You are not wrong. The first of many no doubt.

To be honest with you I'm surprised it's not been more. You got a trifecta of bad things happening. Covid, a student loan debt crisis that became bigger and so people became afraid of college, and a demographic bubble of low population, and the epic disaster of complete social cluelessness being propagated on too many campuses.

Every school in D2 in Oklahoma and Arkansas except once has lost students. And to be honest with you a lot of them are not even really attending college as much just being enrolled. So all these systems put in place in a town and a college to enhance revenue are not doing that because they don't have enough students on campus.

American universities were one of the Great social equalizers in our society. They created the opportunities for people to join the middle class and were training centers for social advancement. Somewhere along the line they became centers for fallacious and foolish dialogues.

Some schools are going to expand their sports in order to get more people on campus some schools are going to cut sports. And then the trickle-down effect of division 1 football and basketball is going to reduced affecting revenue streams for lower level divisions. This has been a steady trend since 2010.

even a division 2 we're seeing a group of 20 with a realistic shot of winning a title and they're always the same ones with the same resources. Most of those who had just enough to do it have gone up to FCS. Those with the resources moved up ( usually a long history of alumni support and located in a urban center of 40,000 or more) .

I hope as someone who loves division II football that we never lose what made this the best part of college football.

[SW_Mustang]

I won't be the one to start the thread, but I almost feel a separate "In Memoriam" thread might need to be necessary.

I had one several years ago - never got much traction and I got kinda tired of maintaining it. Maybe a good time to bring it back.

[SW_Mustang]

To be honest with you I'm surprised it's not been more. You got a trifecta of bad things happening. Covid, a student loan debt crisis that became bigger and so people became afraid of college, and a demographic bubble of low population, and the epic disaster of complete social cluelessness being propagated on too many campuses.

Every school in D2 in Oklahoma and Arkansas except once has lost students. And to be honest with you a lot of them are not even really attending college as much just being enrolled. So all these systems put in place in a town and a college to enhance revenue are not doing that because they don't have enough students on campus.

American universities were one of the Great social equalizers in our society. They created the opportunities for people to join the middle class and were training centers for social advancement. Somewhere along the line they became centers for fallacious and foolish dialogues.

It's a lot of stuff. Cost of attendance vs. expected earnings is driving students away now that the cat is out of the bag. Secularization is driving away students from private universities. There's been substantial funding decreases from state governments. Community colleges becoming a much more accepted option is keeping revenue away from four year schools. I happen to believe it's trivial right now, but there's also a declining population growth rate that isn't helping either. Access to technology means a lot of kids don't need to be on campus as much and have more freedom to pick/choose schools. Yadda yadda yadda. I could go on.

College is, and always will be, a massive political scapegoat too - I can remember hearing some pretty wild stuff being said about college on the talking head networks, yet none of it was happening on my campus (or any of the campuses I attended). Turns out - most college kids are just there to get a degree, party/socialize, play sports - etc. But these news outlets have got people convinced that it's some sort of incubator of lunacy guaranteed to rot the minds of the incoming youth.

I think there is a lot of gridlock on what to do amongst the "highly educated" as well - they all view their disciplines as the key to society and are too stubborn to let go, which forces schools to keep programs that they don't really need. I see this in Minnesota a lot. The irony is - there's not a lot of "forward thinking" in running much of these places, which is ironic. Tweaking the status quo is akin to the worst crime in higher education it seems.

It's just a perfect storm and universities are caught in the middle of it. There's not a one-size-fits all solution. Gonna be interesting to see how things look in 20-ish years.

[the Northeasterner]

It's a lot of stuff. Cost of attendance vs. expected earnings is driving students away now that the cat is out of the bag. Secularization is driving away students from private universities. There's been substantial funding decreases from state governments. Community colleges becoming a much more accepted option is keeping revenue away from four year schools. I happen to believe it's trivial right now, but there's also a declining population growth rate that isn't helping either. Access to technology means a lot of kids don't need to be on campus as much and have more freedom to pick/choose schools. Yadda yadda yadda. I could go on.

College is, and always will be, a massive political scapegoat too - I can remember hearing some pretty wild stuff being said about college on the talking head networks, yet none of it was happening on my campus (or any of the campuses I attended). Turns out - most college kids are just there to get a degree, party/socialize, play sports - etc. But these news outlets have got people convinced that it's some sort of incubator of lunacy guaranteed to rot the minds of the incoming youth.

I think there is a lot of gridlock on what to do amongst the "highly educated" as well - they all view their disciplines as the key to society and are too stubborn to let go, which forces schools to keep programs that they don't really need. I see this in Minnesota a lot. The irony is - there's not a lot of "forward thinking" in running much of these places, which is ironic. Tweaking the status quo is akin to the worst crime in higher education it seems.

It's just a perfect storm and universities are caught in the middle of it. There's not a one-size-fits all solution. Gonna be interesting to see how things look in 20-ish years.

Yeah let's not underestimate the elite colleges graduate schools being absolutely just run over with foolish ideas that have become the mainstream. I remember when a lot of these ideas started when I was going to grad school in the mid-90s. But it doesn't matter if you get all the colleges you just got to get about 10 or 15 of the ones that produce most of your professors. People don't respect the process anymore and it's an absolute disaster because the process used to produce amazing individuals in our society.

[UCObluejay]

Yeah let's not underestimate the elite colleges graduate schools being absolutely just run over with foolish ideas that have become the mainstream. I remember when a lot of these ideas started when I was going to grad school in the mid-90s. But it doesn't matter if you get all the colleges you just got to get about 10 or 15 of the ones that produce most of your professors. People don't respect the process anymore and it's an absolute disaster because the process used to produce amazing individuals in our society.

Well I remember some of the snobbery when I was in school. Many schools forget what they are. You can try to compete with the ones with bigger resources, but more than likely the big dog eats anyway. If a Flagship school has something you don't and you get it too, that doesn't necessarily even the playing field. Colleges are spending worse than Congress.

OU just passed a tuition hike, wonder if that was in direct result of the House settlement? If a smaller D1 school did that, they would lose students.

To your point about not respecting the process, I agree. I am a millennial and jokingly used to say that Gen X and before were the oven generations. We (millenials) are the microwave generation. Gen Z is the door dash/influencer heavy generation.

[the Northeasterner]

Well I remember some of the snobbery when I was in school. Many schools forget what they are. You can try to compete with the ones with bigger resources, but more than likely the big dog eats anyway. If a Flagship school has something you don't and you get it too, that doesn't necessarily even the playing field. Colleges are spending worse than Congress.

OU just passed a tuition hike, wonder if that was in direct result of the House settlement? If a smaller D1 school did that, they would lose students.

To your point about not respecting the process, I agree. I am a millennial and jokingly used to say that Gen X and before were the oven generations. We (millenials) are the microwave generation. Gen Z is the door dash/influencer heavy generation.

Yeah the need to keep up with the Joneses is really bad among administration. And to be honest with the colleges are very very inefficient. Got fat on government money and student aid and now they don't know how to be lean and clean. When you look at a university I guarantee two-thirds of their administration costs are staffers not faculty. A readjustment needs to happen but unfortunately it's going to kill the beast instead of fixing it

[njmav1]

I think there is a lot of gridlock on what to do amongst the "highly educated" as well - they all view their disciplines as the key to society and are too stubborn to let go, which forces schools to keep programs that they don't really need. I see this in Minnesota a lot. The irony is - there's not a lot of "forward thinking" in running much of these places, which is ironic. Tweaking the status quo is akin to the worst crime in higher education it seems.

It's just a perfect storm and universities are caught in the middle of it. There's not a one-size-fits all solution. Gonna be interesting to see how things look in 20-ish years.

There are theories about this so you're not wrong.

[SW_Mustang]

There are theories about this so you're not wrong.

It's anecdotal, but I dealt with this at SMSU to some extent. People with PhDs are some of the hardest to work with in my opinion.

[SW_Mustang]

Yeah let's not underestimate the elite colleges graduate schools being absolutely just run over with foolish ideas that have become the mainstream. I remember when a lot of these ideas started when I was going to grad school in the mid-90s. But it doesn't matter if you get all the colleges you just got to get about 10 or 15 of the ones that produce most of your professors. People don't respect the process anymore and it's an absolute disaster because the process used to produce amazing individuals in our society.

Mainstream society is currently overrun with foolish ideas and if I'm to believe what I'm told - it didn't come from the university system as it stands in direct contrast on the layman's political spectrum.

I'm an alumni of three schools - and I never once dealt with the lunacy that I was told was happening. It became quite apparent that it was just a way to get the retired community riled up so they'd vote a certain way. Every protest I saw was roughly about 5 people strong. Most folks just didn't care.

[Predatory Primates]

To be honest with you I'm surprised it's not been more. You got a trifecta of bad things happening. Covid, a student loan debt crisis that became bigger and so people became afraid of college, and a demographic bubble of low population, and the epic disaster of complete social cluelessness being propagated on too many campuses.

Every school in D2 in Oklahoma and Arkansas except once has lost students. And to be honest with you a lot of them are not even really attending college as much just being enrolled. So all these systems put in place in a town and a college to enhance revenue are not doing that because they don't have enough students on campus.

American universities were one of the Great social equalizers in our society. They created the opportunities for people to join the middle class and were training centers for social advancement. Somewhere along the line they became centers for fallacious and foolish dialogues.

Some schools are going to expand their sports in order to get more people on campus some schools are going to cut sports. And then the trickle-down effect of division 1 football and basketball is going to reduced affecting revenue streams for lower level divisions. This has been a steady trend since 2010.

even a division 2 we're seeing a group of 20 with a realistic shot of winning a title and they're always the same ones with the same resources. Most of those who had just enough to do it have gone up to FCS. Those with the resources moved up ( usually a long history of alumni support and located in a urban center of 40,000 or more) .

I hope as someone who loves division II football that we never lose what made this the best part of college football.

Great post.

[laker]

Grand Canyon is joining the MWC a year early.

https://themw.com/news/2025/07/08/mo...academic-year/