PASSHE Institutions Merging

[iupgroundhog]

Emporium!

Where I briefly met a girl at IUP who was from there who told me they never saw a black person until they came to IUP.

Needlessly to say I wasn't impressed but because of that statement...I have remembered that town actually still exists.

Ironically, an emporium is a place where they have anything you'd want to buy. I guess they did in the logging days. Also, ironically, I knew an African-American woman from Philly who married a white guy from a small community near Emporium, They eventually moved to that small town. I looked up the Census statistics for the town and on the ethnicity pie chart there was a thin line for African-American. I told her that I could see her on the graph.

[Ship69]

Grade inflation is because of a few factors

1)A lot of high schools that used run a grading scale of A= 100-93, B- 92-85, C-84-74 ect have moved to the 90A, 80B 70C model.

2) Back in the day schools were limited in the amount of AP course (bonus gpa points) they could offer/ students could actually take. Now with virtual options and travel kids can access more AP courses then in years past. Same things with college level/dual credit courses. Heck is some high schools are able to come to agreements that allow kids to earn their associates degree along with their high school diploma. Those courses typically carry the bonus gpa point that drives up the gpa.

3) Helicopter parents will make a teachers life miserable if little Johnny gets a B and Admin have so many other issues to deal with they aren’t providing the support to back up, so the teachers are just giving in. I’m in my late 30s now and growing up if my grades were bad my parents said it was my fault not the teachers, now a days it reversed and parents blame teachers over their kids.

4) On the other end due to ties to federal funding states in order to get their graduation rates up so schools are doing all sorts of crazy things to keep kids from failing which as others have mentioned giving a kid that has never turned anything a 50% then making them use a platform online for a few hours where they google the answers and get a passing grade.

There are other factors but those would be the main ones.

Grade inflation has basically been under way for the past 40-50 years, and some of the factors you mention come into play. As far as a different grading scale, I had a world history teacher my sophomore year in high school who used 90 for an "A" grade. Your problem was getting the 90. Probably one of the high points of my academic career in high school was being the only student in my section of 35 kids to get an "A" on his term paper. That paper was extensively researched and 40 typewritten pages (no computers in the '60s). In ninth grade, we had two honors rolls, a high honor roll requiring a 3.5 average (basically two "As" and two "Bs" and a "B" honor roll. I have an old newspaper clipping my mother kept because I made the "B" honor roll one term. Out of my freshman class of about 750 students, six made the high honor roll that term. Remember, I'm talking about a 3.5 honor roll, not an all-A honor roll. Lest you think we had a bunch of dummies in that class, I had several friends who were eventually admitted to Harvard and other prestigious schools who did not make the high honor roll that term. Can you imagine grading like that in today's climate? The teachers would be crucified.

At Ship, I was in the top five percent of my graduating class with a 3.4 average, which is a basically a B-plus average. On the basis of that, I was admitted to Northwestern for graduate school. Now we have entire athletic teams at the school that carry a 3.5 average. I'm not throwing dirt at the dedication of those kids, and I think we do have some impressive young students at Ship, but really?

As you point out, a lot of parents talk the talk about a good education these days, but if their kids actually are exposed to the type of academic rigor it takes to get there, they'll have a fit. It doesn't help that most kids spend hours on the interweb, almost all have jobs (have to pay for those cars) and have gotten used to getting by with the minimum in many cases. I considered it a light night when I had less than 90 minutes of homework in high school — see much of that today?

There's a reason most of the doctors at my local hospital are either immigrants from Asia or have parents from there. Those folks still hit the books. There's nothing mysterious about it.

[IUPNation]

Grade inflation has basically been under way for the past 40-50 years, and some of the factors you mention come into play. As far as a different grading scale, I had a world history teacher my sophomore year in high school who used 90 for an "A" grade. Your problem was getting the 90. Probably one of the high points of my academic career in high school was being the only student in my section of 35 kids to get an "A" on his term paper. That paper was extensively researched and 40 typewritten pages (no computers in the '60s). In ninth grade, we had two honors rolls, a high honor roll requiring a 3.5 average (basically two "As" and two "Bs" and a "B" honor roll. I have an old newspaper clipping my mother kept because I made the "B" honor roll one term. Out of my freshman class of about 750 students, six made the high honor roll that term. Remember, I'm talking about a 3.5 honor roll, not an all-A honor roll. Lest you think we had a bunch of dummies in that class, I had several friends who were eventually admitted to Harvard and other prestigious schools who did not make the high honor roll that term. Can you imagine grading like that in today's climate? The teachers would be crucified.

At Ship, I was in the top five percent of my graduating class with a 3.4 average, which is a basically a B-plus average. On the basis of that, I was admitted to Northwestern for graduate school. Now we have entire athletic teams at the school that carry a 3.5 average. I'm not throwing dirt at the dedication of those kids, and I think we do have some impressive young students at Ship, but really?

As you point out, a lot of parents talk the talk about a good education these days, but if their kids actually are exposed to the type of academic rigor it takes to get there, they'll have a fit. It doesn't help that most kids spend hours on the interweb, almost all have jobs (have to pay for those cars) and have gotten used to getting by with the minimum in many cases. I considered it a light night when I had less than 90 minutes of homework in high school — see much of that today?

There's a reason most of the doctors at my local hospital are either immigrants from Asia or have parents from there. Those folks still hit the books. There's nothing mysterious about it.

The one thing I had a hard time with grade wise going from 12 years in the School System of the Archdiocese of Philadelphia to IUP...was how they calculated your averages. In Catholic School when i went...it was straight numbers 1-100. Then IUP is was letters and GPA. I liked the Catholic School way better. My final grade average in high school was 87.5. I think my IUP GPA was 2.86 or something....I was way worse a student in college because I socialized far too much instead of actually studying. I must have winged half of those classes...

[Ship69]

The one thing I had a hard time with grade wise going from 12 years in the School System of the Archdiocese of Philadelphia to IUP...was how they calculated your averages. In Catholic School when i went...it was straight numbers 1-100. Then IUP is was letters and GPA. I liked the Catholic School way better. My final grade average in high school was 87.5. I think my IUP GPA was 2.86 or something....I was way worse a student in college because I socialized far too much instead of actually studying. I must have winged half of those classes...

I'm sure you weren't alone in socializing. As "Animal House" brought out, socializing in college has a long tradition. I will say that most guys in my day tried to keep their GPA above a certain minimum as those who flunked out were liable to find themselves the recipient of an expenses-paid trip to Southeast Asis, courtesy of the Army. I think straight numbers for grades work well for classes such as math or science. They probably work less well in something such as a writing class. For example, is the essay worth an 83 or an 85? That's often a rather subjective call.

[Fightingscot82]

Emporium!

Where I briefly met a girl at IUP who was from there who told me they never saw a black person until they came to IUP.

Needlessly to say I wasn't impressed but because of that statement...I have remembered that town actually still exists.

My wife is from Emporium! So is your favorite D2 conference commissioner. My wife too had never conversed with a Black person until she arrived at Edinboro and met the former president & his wife.

[IUPbigINDIANS]

I'm sure you weren't alone in socializing. As "Animal House" brought out, socializing in college has a long tradition. I will say that most guys in my day tried to keep their GPA above a certain minimum as those who flunked out were liable to find themselves the recipient of an expenses-paid trip to Southeast Asis, courtesy of the Army. I think straight numbers for grades work well for classes such as math or science. They probably work less well in something such as a writing class. For example, is the essay worth an 83 or an 85? That's often a rather subjective call.

Going to hang out with Charlie should have been pretty good motivation to attend class.

[IUPNation]

My wife is from Emporium! So is your favorite D2 conference commissioner. My wife too had never conversed with a Black person until she arrived at Edinboro and met the former president & his wife.

I couldn’t understand that at all when that girl said it. She wasn’t being ignorant or anything I just found it incredulous.

[IUPNation]

Ironically, an emporium is a place where they have anything you'd want to buy. I guess they did in the logging days. Also, ironically, I knew an African-American woman from Philly who married a white guy from a small community near Emporium, They eventually moved to that small town. I looked up the Census statistics for the town and on the ethnicity pie chart there was a thin line for African-American. I told her that I could see her on the graph.

HA!!

[ctrabs74]

Pennsylvania Sh*t Show of Higher Education

https://triblive.com/local/regional/...-yet-to-begin/

West Chester attempting to poach an interim president from another PASSHE institution... yeah, that kinda shows where the power is in PASSHE at the moment.

[ctrabs74]

Emporia is in Kansas.

Emporia, PA is the Cameron County seat.

[iupgroundhog]

Emporia, PA is the Cameron County seat.

Rabs, I think you missed the point here, FWIW. Emporium is in PA. Emporia is, in fact, in Kansas.

[Fightingscot82]

Emporium the hometown of PSAC commissioner Steve Murray. Also 2004 PSAC West DPOY Seth Fragale. And Kentucky men's basketball legend Nate Sestina.

[Ship69]

West Chester attempting to poach an interim president from another PASSHE institution... yeah, that kinda shows where the power is in PASSHE at the moment.

We got former Mansfield president Charles Patterson when his job went away as they formed Commonwealth University. We couldn't be more pleased with him. He's been fantastic.

[ironmaniup]

Looks like IUP's enrollment went up. Lots of caveats, but its a start. New Science building ribbon cutting is Nov 2 , this should help recruiting this spring as well. https://www.post-gazette.com/news/ed...s/202309280116

[IUPNation]

Looks like IUP's enrollment went up. Lots of caveats, but its a start. New Science building ribbon cutting is Nov 2 , this should help recruiting this spring as well. https://www.post-gazette.com/news/ed...s/202309280116

We are coming back!!!

:-)