Should Jamestown be accepted into the NSIC?

[Stanger86]

Jamestown was stuck. They didn’t have anywhere to go. The NSIC did them a huge unnecessary favor and Jamestown isn’t ready. They’ve had quite a bit of turnover just since the announcement. That’s quite indicative that they don’t have their sh!t together like you think they do.

USF had coaching changes when they were transitioning too. Some guy named Jed Stugart was hired who never got his teams past the first round of the NAIA playoffs....clearly they weren't ready for the move up and didn't have their **** together.

[MrMustang]

There will not be a split in the next decade. More likely is Augie and Mankato and UMD go up a level when D1 abnd FCS settles out

[SW_Mustang]

There will not be a split in the next decade. More likely is Augie and Mankato and UMD go up a level when D1 abnd FCS settles out

I think there'd have to be a pretty dramatic shift for UMD to go. They don't have the resources people think they do. They're not even the state legislature's favorite college in Duluth, unless something drastically changed. The mothership would also have to be okay with allowing another D1 and it's just not gonna happen.

Augie was denied a few years ago by the Summit and chose hockey instead. It's not out of the realm of possibility but it's not going to happen for a long time if it does.

[Purple Mav Man]

There will not be a split in the next decade. More likely is Augie and Mankato and UMD go up a level when D1 abnd FCS settles out

Once again, a non-MSU person trying to push them to D1. Moving up currently makes absolutely no sense. As stated, Augie already tried. You have to have somewhere to go, can’t just decide to jump up.

[Purple Mav Man]

USF had coaching changes when they were transitioning too. Some guy named Jed Stugart was hired who never got his teams past the first round of the NAIA playoffs....clearly they weren't ready for the move up and didn't have their **** together.

Almost the same situation, too. 🙄
Keep reaching and backing Jamestown for some silly reason. It makes the conference weaker and worse. Good for your ponies though, I suppose.

[Stanger86]

Once again, a non-MSU person trying to push them to D1. Moving up currently makes absolutely no sense. As stated, Augie already tried. You have to have somewhere to go, can’t just decide to jump up.

Bolded the key difference between your response and his original post.

You are looking at the current landscape. He is talking about "when D1 and FCS settles out", which is probably still a few years out.

[Stanger86]

Keep reaching and backing Jamestown for some silly reason. It makes the conference weaker and worse.

Maybe, maybe not. I'm not writing them off for the sole reason of them being located in a small North Dakota town, as others seem to be doing.

[SW_Mustang]

Bolded the key difference between your response and his original post.

You are looking at the current landscape. He is talking about "when D1 and FCS settles out", which is probably still a few years out.

People have been saying "in a few years" for as long as I've followed the NSIC, and have likely been saying it since the Dakota schools bolted from the NCC (and maybe even before). It's my belief that if the Summit wanted MSU, we would have known by now - and probably several years back. Football is kind of a moot point if they can't find a conference for the other sports.

It's also highly unlikely that Blakeslee will be replaced "in a few years" too, and any discussion about moving football to D1 really is irrelevant until they figure that part of it out - regardless of what happens with the P5.

I'm not saying it will never happen, but it's not going to happen "in a few years."

[Stanger86]

People have been saying "in a few years" for as long as I've followed the NSIC, and have likely been saying it since the Dakota schools bolted from the NCC (and maybe even before). It's my belief that if the Summit wanted MSU, we would have known by now - and probably several years back. Football is kind of a moot point if they can't find a conference for the other sports.

It's also highly unlikely that Blakeslee will be replaced "in a few years" too, and any discussion about moving football to D1 really is irrelevant until they figure that part of it out - regardless of what happens with the P5.

I'm not saying it will never happen, but it's not going to happen "in a few years."

It's not about what happens with the P4/5 that you need to watch, it's about the rest of FBS does once the P4/5 is settled. I'd expect a similar shuffling in those conferences, which will include the poaching of a number of FCS schools. From there, those conferences will need to fill other holes, likely with a number of current D2s. The ones MrMustang mentioned would be among the list under consideration. Once that happens, I wouldn't rule out continued conference shuffling.

[SW_Mustang]

It's not about what happens with the P4/5 that you need to watch, it's about the rest of FBS does once the P4/5 is settled. I'd expect a similar shuffling in those conferences, which will include the poaching of a number of FCS schools. From there, those conferences will need to fill other holes, likely with a number of current D2s. The ones MrMustang mentioned would be among the list under consideration. Once that happens, I wouldn't rule out continued conference shuffling.

Well, yeah - but that's going to come as a direct result of what the P4 decides to do. I mean, the P4 makes up about 52% of FBS. If they decide to leave or start their own division, will the NCAA continue to sponsor the original four divisions of football? The NCAA has existed with four divisions of football for less than half of its life, so it's not outside the realm of possibility to see another shift. There might not be an FCS for MSU to jump too. My point is, saying it could happen for MSU (or Augie) is just wildly speculative (and it absolutely won't happen for UMD, that's just not a possibility).

Ultimately, MSU hasn't grown over the last 10 year period. They have some pretty shoddy facilities, and they are in the same budget crunch the rest of MnSCU is in. If a conference comes calling, I don't know if they'll be able to answer at the end of the day. I'm not dogging the Mavs, it's just their reality.

[MrMustang]

I think there'd have to be a pretty dramatic shift for UMD to go. They don't have the resources people think they do. They're not even the state legislature's favorite college in Duluth, unless something drastically changed. The mothership would also have to be okay with allowing another D1 and it's just not gonna happen.

Augie was denied a few years ago by the Summit and chose hockey instead. It's not out of the realm of possibility but it's not going to happen for a long time if it does.

well The Summit might change their mind when SDSU & NDSU go to the Big Sky and when Oral Roberts goes to Conference USA or something similar in the south

[MrMustang]

Jamestown was stuck. They didn’t have anywhere to go. The NSIC did them a huge unnecessary favor and Jamestown isn’t ready. They’ve had quite a bit of turnover just since the announcement. That’s quite indicative that they don’t have their sh!t together like you think they do.

they were stuck, although the GPAC would have been happy to keep them and they fit nicely there

[MrMustang]

Once again, a non-MSU person trying to push them to D1. Moving up currently makes absolutely no sense. As stated, Augie already tried. You have to have somewhere to go, can’t just decide to jump up.

There are many Mankato supporters on this Board pushing D1 and even more Mankato supporters who are vocal they don't belong with Crookston, Jamestown, Minto and Mary etc. I'm not out of bounds here

[MrMustang]

Jamestown's men's volleyball roster will get smaller since they play up at "d1" level, maximum of 18 on the roster, 30 listed on the web site. Still no men's soccer schedule on the web site.

Popcorn ready.

amazing

[MrMustang]

Well, yeah - but that's going to come as a direct result of what the P4 decides to do. I mean, the P4 makes up about 52% of FBS. If they decide to leave or start their own division, will the NCAA continue to sponsor the original four divisions of football? The NCAA has existed with four divisions of football for less than half of its life, so it's not outside the realm of possibility to see another shift. There might not be an FCS for MSU to jump too. My point is, saying it could happen for MSU (or Augie) is just wildly speculative (and it absolutely won't happen for UMD, that's just not a possibility).

Ultimately, MSU hasn't grown over the last 10 year period. They have some pretty shoddy facilities, and they are in the same budget crunch the rest of MnSCU is in. If a conference comes calling, I don't know if they'll be able to answer at the end of the day. I'm not dogging the Mavs, it's just their reality.

you have hit a smart point. MnSCU is broke the state schools in Minnesota are broke and Minnesota is about to have a budget deficit...