Should Jamestown be accepted into the NSIC?

[NSU4LIFE]

With the D1 scholarship max increases, the domino split is only a matter of time

[zimmy21]

There are many Mankato supporters on this Board pushing D1 and even more Mankato supporters who are vocal they don't belong with Crookston, Jamestown, Minto and Mary etc. I'm not out of bounds here

More so that Jamestown, Crookston, and St. Cloud doesn't belong with the NSIC but go on and put words in everyone's mouth

[SW_Mustang]

More so that Jamestown, Crookston, and St. Cloud doesn't belong with the NSIC but go on and put words in everyone's mouth

They don't. St. Cloud belongs in the Summit, the other two belong in the UMAC.

[SW_Mustang]

you have hit a smart point. MnSCU is broke the state schools in Minnesota are broke and Minnesota is about to have a budget deficit...

A lot of people look at Mankato and think that because they are the "flagship" they they don't have the problems the rest of MnSCU has. Everyone is going through it.

Heck, I bet the UofM's not in the Twin Cities are dealing with it too. The state just doesn't care. I'd argue the constituency doesn't either.

[SW_Mustang]

well The Summit might change their mind when SDSU & NDSU go to the Big Sky and when Oral Roberts goes to Conference USA or something similar in the south

Bingo. The current iteration of the Summit is for the benefit of SDSU and NDSU (and UND to a much lesser extent). UST was added as a short term publicity stunt and long term market share play. The lesser schools don't belong anywhere near D1 but are fodder for the big flagships to get their postseason 1-and-done appearances.

And SDSU and NDSU don't want MSU around. The Mavs won't be competent at the D1 level - but they'll have an easier time disrupting the March Madness gravy train that the Bison and Jacks built for themselves than Denver or UMKC could ever hope for.

On top of that, the feed schools won't want to be kicked around by another opponent. UST loves being the "other" D1 school in Minnesota and don't want competition, and I could see Denver and UND getting their panties in a bunch over hockey stuff. ORU runs the Summit in baseball and might not want to let go of that, since they are really bad in every other sport.

I know there was a lot of in-state politics over not letting Augie in, but I also believe the same factors are at play. SDSU blows at basketball but needs that March Madness money. Would be a shame if they let in Augie, who is much better at basketball to take that away from them.

Kinda a long way to say "I agree" about the *DSU's being the problem, but that's my thoughts.

[zimmy21]

And SDSU and NDSU don't want MSU around. The Mavs won't be competent at the D1 level - but they'll have an easier time disrupting the March Madness gravy train that the Bison and Jacks built for themselves than Denver or UMKC could ever hope for.

While I have not read the Summit League Bylaws, I would imagine they are like most conferences in that the March Madness payout is equally balanced between all teams. Not just the school(s) participating in each specific iteration of March Madness.

The only "Gravy Train" for most schools in the tournament is more visibility, and name recognition. Which can be profitable for sure.

[SW_Mustang]

While I have not read the Summit League Bylaws, I would imagine they are like most conferences in that the March Madness layout is equally balanced between all teams. Not just the school(s) participating in each specific iteration.

The only "Gravy Train" for most schools in the tournament is more visibility, and name recognition. Which can be profitable for sure.

I always thought schools went D1 because they got a piece of the pie for making the MBB tournament. I mentioned "iteration" of the Summit because the league existed before the Dakota schools were admitted.

Even still, NDSU and SDSU are two very attention hungry programs. They don't want anyone getting that coveted auto-bid spot. I was honestly surprised to see ORU get a couple nods post Dakota invasion of the Summit when I looked at the championship history.

Kinda wish the MBB tournament would get rid of autobids for the lesser throwaway conferences to be honest, but that's a rant for another day.

[zimmy21]

I always thought schools went D1 because they got a piece of the pie for making the MBB tournament. I mentioned "iteration" of the Summit because the league existed before the Dakota schools were admitted.

Even still, NDSU and SDSU are two very attention hungry programs. They don't want anyone getting that coveted auto-bid spot. I was honestly surprised to see ORU get a couple nods post Dakota invasion of the Summit when I looked at the championship history.

Kinda wish the MBB tournament would get rid of autobids for the lesser throwaway conferences to be honest, but that's a rant for another day.

Most conferences pay out evenly when you become a full member. Some, allow the individual school to garner more of a cut from that tournaments pot.

The Tournament as of 2022 paid teams $2 million per game played, this is to be paid out over 6 years. Most conferences have a pay-share clause that means the conference gets the winnings and doles out the cash evenly.

The Summit has 8 Full D1 members right now qualified for the payment so $2mil / 8 teams evenly split = $333,333 each of the Summit teams are getting per year on average from the Madness.

Oral Roberts garnered the Summit some extra money as well because of their Sweet Sixteen run a few years back. They earned the Summit an additional $4 million for their 2 added games played.

[Stanger86]

Jamestown's men's volleyball roster will get smaller since they play up at "d1" level, maximum of 18 on the roster, 30 listed on the web site. Still no men's soccer schedule on the web site.

Popcorn ready.

Back to the original point of this thread, I think something that will be interesting to monitor is how any specific sport offerings will affect their Title IX standing. There is a lot of talk about sport cuts and what not, but part of the discussion is also about scholarship dollars. I wonder if cutting men's volleyball, for example could free up space for another sport to become more competitive.

[SW_Mustang]

Most conferences pay out evenly when you become a full member. Some, allow the individual school to garner more of a cut from that tournaments pot.

The Tournament as of 2022 paid teams $2 million per game played, this is to be paid out over 6 years. Most conferences have a pay-share clause that means the conference gets the winnings and doles out the cash evenly.

The Summit has 8 Full D1 members right now qualified for the payment so $2mil / 8 teams evenly split = $333,333 each of the Summit teams are getting per year on average from the Madness.

Oral Roberts garnered the Summit some extra money as well because of their Sweet Sixteen run a few years back. They earned the Summit an additional $4 million for their 2 added games played.

Thanks for the specifics. I was not aware of the pay structure. I just assumed the team that went got the nod - which is how I'd prefer it to work, but I digress.

I can't speak on every Summit program, and all sarcasm aside - but SDSU loves attention (and it's apparent NDSU does too). I've really never seen anything like it. I'm not saying they're wrong for it - but it's my actual belief that they won't want anyone that can steal their thunder. I also believe it's partly responsible for why Augie wasn't allowed in.

[SW_Mustang]

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[D2Rover]

well The Summit might change their mind when SDSU & NDSU go to the Big Sky and when Oral Roberts goes to Conference USA or something similar in the south

I'm not an FCS expert but SDSU/NDSU to the Big Sky isn't a real consideration, is it? Unless they're moving it to FBS, for which the fans of the Montana schools swear there's no interest.

[zimmy21]

I'm not an FCS expert but SDSU/NDSU to the Big Sky isn't a real consideration, is it? Unless they're moving it to FBS, for which the fans of the Montana schools swear there's no interest.

No the xDSU's aren't leaving for the Big Sky. Mountain West at best, but that won't be until the P4 split

[Stanger86]

No the xDSU's aren't leaving for the Big Sky. Mountain West at best, but that won't be until the P4 split

This is kind of where I'm at....

At some point, I think the Mountain West as-is will divide, and that might be part of one of the next big shakeups. I could see a league with a few Mountain West schools (Wyo, CSU, AFA), a few Big Sky schools (Montana, Montana State, Idaho), Dakota schools, etc. That feels both reasonable and realistic, and I could potentially see further NSIC movement as a domino to follow that shift.

[Purple Mav Man]

There are many Mankato supporters on this Board pushing D1 and even more Mankato supporters who are vocal they don't belong with Crookston, Jamestown, Minto and Mary etc. I'm not out of bounds here

Not out of bounds, just misrepresenting. There are a few supporters on here who want D1. There are more that don’t.

Most of the NSIC should feel they don’t belong with Crookston and the like, frankly. Crookston isn’t a D2 school/program by any stretch, except for affiliation.

SMSU supporters on the board want to be with smaller, more ‘like-minded’ schools. And you all have gone on and on about lack of scholarship money and COVID losses. Maybe SMSU should move to D3? Makes more sense than MSU moving up :)