Should Jamestown be accepted into the NSIC?

[MrMustang]

This has been about more than football since forever. Not sure why you keep beating that point into the ground. That’s why their entire athletic program has been mentioned, their enrollment being dependent on sports that’ll likely be cut, etc and not just their football team. It’s been discussed at length, actually. So…we know it’s about more than football. If Jamestown were a football only member, so be it.

Just because Jamestown decided they wanted to be D2 didn’t mean the NSIC had to cater to their desperation. Yeah, yeah, I know. You think it makes the conference stronger by adding a footprint school. The NSIC didn’t need Jamestown, it was the other way. They could have easily waited. If Jamestown wanted D2 so bad, they would have also waited. We’ll likely disagree that Jamestown brings nothing but an even number. Which is a very weak argument to add them. But it’s done and the conference as a whole, got weaker. In MORE THAN FOOTBALL. Because the conference is about athletics, not school prerogatives, no matter what the message they may try to push.

That last part is silly. I am not criticizing SMSU fans at all. I’m encouraging you to be D3 with other schools that can’t commit athletically, since you guys constantly mention your lack of scholarships. If that’s what they want, go get it. If you want mediocre, go get it. Location is whatever, you’re the one that is making that a point. Not me. You’ve repeatedly mentioned their strength of addition is they are simply in the footprint. That is a convenience, not a strength. Love that we always come back to the NCC 4 being added. We know the NCC dissolved and left those schools searching. The NSIC didn’t have to take them in either, and most of us fans of those schools feel fortunate they did. But good god, your argument falls apart every time when you compare Jamestown to those four, competitively. But you guys keep going back to it…Not even close to the same value add.

I’m sure this goes both ways, but I find it odd how people beat the drum for Jamestown. I guess it would make more sense to me if someone were to actually provide a reason other than even number/in the footprint.

how quickly you forget you were SMSU in the NCC

[MrMustang]

Crookston being a 4 year institution was a complete political play. This is the unfortunate result. Why wouldn’t a remote satellite type campus work when it’s only 25 miles from UND in Grand Forks? Only 75 miles from NDSU in Fargo (and MSU-Moorhead). And under 90 miles to Bemidji?

While I completely understand those are different systems than UofM, Crookston was doomed from the start.

correct

[Stanger86]

how quickly you forget you were SMSU in the NCC

Exactly.

[Stanger86]

Last winning record in the NCC
MSU 1994
Augie 2000
SCSU 2004
UMD 2005

[Purple Mav Man]

Last winning record in the NCC
MSU 1994
Augie 2000
SCSU 2004
UMD 2005

Isn’t this about more than football?

[Purple Mav Man]

how quickly you forget you were SMSU in the NCC

Haha. Not at all. I didn’t claim the Mavs were good in the NCC. But those four schools being added to the NSIC were a much stronger move than a small, athlete heavy school transitioning to D2.

But I do think it’s funny that you and other SMSU peeps use your own school as an insult.

[Stanger86]

Isn’t this about more than football?

Poor Augustana....last winning record in MBB was 1989

[vikingfaithful]

Poor Augustana....last winning record in MBB was 1989

All those lean MBB years I faithfully attended. I'm thankful to the Northern Sun for taking the 4 NCC refuges in. It's been a good union for the league as those 4 schools added 10 or more national championships, greatly enhancing the league stature in D2. The NSIC has seen scholarship increases, new facilities and the addition of USF.

As for UJ, it's hard to be optimistic about their prospects to be anything other than doormats in the league, North Dakota produces fine athletes per capita, but the limited amount is shared by 4 schools. MSUM has 35 ND young men on their FB roster. Hopefully I'm wrong about the Jimmies as they sure seem to be excited about being D2.

[SW_Mustang]

not much money for colleges with hundreds of millions of dollars of fraud going on to launder money to politicians

I'm not going to get into conspiracies. From my perspective, the state just doesn't care. If they did, SMSU would have nicer infrastructure - and we don't.

It's a tough draw to get kids to our part of the state as it is. Be nice if the state would fund us (and other schools frankly) so we could compensate for it.

[SW_Mustang]

how quickly you forget you were SMSU in the NCC

*cough* use a different school *cough*

[Augieholic]

Poor Augustana....last winning record in MBB was 1989

Augustana MBB went 8-4 in the NCC in 2007-08. TASTE IT!

[zimmy21]

how quickly you forget you were SMSU in the NCC

Actually if you look side by side MSU vs SMSU in the seasons the MSU was in the NCC...we'd be more like the Bemidji States of the NIC at that time. Slightly better yet but that's as close as I'm going to find I believe ..

MSU had a record of 170-194-4 overall in those seasons

Bemidji State had a record of 152-195-5

SMSU had a record of 129-221-4

If we're just comparing football that is.

[MrMustang]

Not out of bounds, just misrepresenting. There are a few supporters on here who want D1. There are more that don’t.

Most of the NSIC should feel they don’t belong with Crookston and the like, frankly. Crookston isn’t a D2 school/program by any stretch, except for affiliation.

SMSU supporters on the board want to be with smaller, more ‘like-minded’ schools. And you all have gone on and on about lack of scholarship money and COVID losses. Maybe SMSU should move to D3? Makes more sense than MSU moving up :)

Again outside of football - we have never won (Were going to until Thielen went wild in Mankato -- man that was a fun game! Blake Wilson was dynamic for SMSU too) we have been just fine against you guys especially in the other marquee sports of volleyball, mens hoops -- and since Webb womens hoops -- we have nothing to be ashemed of -- I am ok with Mankato in the league -- just want some perspective

[MrMustang]

All those lean MBB years I faithfully attended. I'm thankful to the Northern Sun for taking the 4 NCC refuges in. It's been a good union for the league as those 4 schools added 10 or more national championships, greatly enhancing the league stature in D2. The NSIC has seen scholarship increases, new facilities and the addition of USF.

As for UJ, it's hard to be optimistic about their prospects to be anything other than doormats in the league, North Dakota produces fine athletes per capita, but the limited amount is shared by 4 schools. MSUM has 35 ND young men on their FB roster. Hopefully I'm wrong about the Jimmies as they sure seem to be excited about being D2.

agree overall it has been a good union! When we have beat Augie a couple times it has been great fun. same with beating Mankato in hoops -- it is so much fun. I just don't understand how Mankato doesn't think it is Goliath

[MrMustang]

I'm not going to get into conspiracies. From my perspective, the state just doesn't care. If they did, SMSU would have nicer infrastructure - and we don't.

It's a tough draw to get kids to our part of the state as it is. Be nice if the state would fund us (and other schools frankly) so we could compensate for it.

you are correct they don't care and never will. MN is broke and the next steps for MnSCU is cuts will be interesting