Should Jamestown be accepted into the NSIC?

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Mary losing to the Jimmies would be far more embarrassing than Colorado losing to NDSU.

I got Mary in this one. Welcome to the NSIC, Jims.

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No need for apologies, just making sure we’re on the same page. It makes the opinions better informed 🙂

Agree with the bolded 100%. My opinion is Jamestown shouldn’t be in the NSIC (at least not now). It is also that Crookston shouldn’t be a 4 year school. But it is not that MSU is too good for them. Ha

Forgot to hit send on this haha - I know I can be ultra-sarcastic and often times abrasive, but I really do enjoy the discussion about these things. Good way to take the mind off real problems for a few hours a week!

Personally, Jamestown isn't the worst option. In fact, I'd rather have them over Crookston just for the simple fact that I do believe they seem to at least make the bare minimum effort. That being said, they aren't the best option either. The best option right now would be to just not fill the position and see how things shake out in 3-5 years - however the conference doesn't want to go that route. Meaning - I'm not personally thrilled about Jamestown joining, but given that not expanding wasn't going to be an option, I'd much rather have them than Oak Hills Christian or Morris.

I'd go as far as to say that not only is MSU too good for Crookston, but I think the NSIC as a whole is too good for Crookston. I know there are individual athletes and coaches behind that name that are really doing the best they can with what they have, but I'm ready to let the whole program go. They add absolutely nothing - even Minot/Mary/SMSU add something, even if it's only some nice facilities, a decent volleyball team, or some micron of hope for their athletic futures. Crookston has nothing at this time.

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Dakota State is opening up their new football stadium this week with a matchup against Dakota Wesleyan. The photos I've seen are impressive. This is only Phase I of the project, so there is hopefully more to come, though I'm not holding my breath.

Hopefully, I'll get to make the trek down to see them this week. I think it's a long road ahead of them, but at least they are showing initiative by investing in their infrastructure.

[vikingfaithful]

Gotta give the War Damm Golden Eagles credit for baseball. Crookston went 2-0 against AU and 2-1 vs. MSU Mankato and finished 3rd in the conference at 28-10 only 1 game behind 2nd place Mankato!

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Gotta give the War Damm Golden Eagles credit for baseball. Crookston went 2-0 against AU and 2-1 vs. MSU Mankato and finished 3rd in the conference at 28-10 only 1 game behind 2nd place Mankato!

Wanna know a crazy stat? According to UMC's records, they went 167- 797 between 1968-2014. Between 2015-2024, they've gone 240-213.

If you subtract the JUCO stuff, they went 61-558 during their D2 stay before 2015.

Gust is a great coach who understands the game locally. Not only can he recruit, but his player development is second only to Concordia-St. Paul right now. I remember reading about how he got Zach Siepel to join the program - a guy nobody really wanted, and turned him into UMC's first MLB Draft Pick (which is incredibly rare for any program not named CSP, SCSU, or AU).

But... I don't think lightning will strike twice. If he leaves, I doubt UMC will have it in them to replace him, and will surely drop back down the rankings. So credit where credit is due for sure, but it's also on thin ice.

[CollegeFBGuy]

Forgot to hit send on this haha - I know I can be ultra-sarcastic and often times abrasive, but I really do enjoy the discussion about these things. Good way to take the mind off real problems for a few hours a week!

Personally, Jamestown isn't the worst option. In fact, I'd rather have them over Crookston just for the simple fact that I do believe they seem to at least make the bare minimum effort. That being said, they aren't the best option either. The best option right now would be to just not fill the position and see how things shake out in 3-5 years - however the conference doesn't want to go that route. Meaning - I'm not personally thrilled about Jamestown joining, but given that not expanding wasn't going to be an option, I'd much rather have them than Oak Hills Christian or Morris.

I'd go as far as to say that not only is MSU too good for Crookston, but I think the NSIC as a whole is too good for Crookston. I know there are individual athletes and coaches behind that name that are really doing the best they can with what they have, but I'm ready to let the whole program go. They add absolutely nothing - even Minot/Mary/SMSU add something, even if it's only some nice facilities, a decent volleyball team, or some micron of hope for their athletic futures. Crookston has nothing at this time.

I didn’t expect to see Oak Hills in this thread, well done! Morris moving down made sense. I don’t understand why a school, from the same system, as poor as Crookston, wouldn’t do the same. Seems odd to me. I don’t see the benefit, for them, in staying D2/NSIC

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I didn’t expect to see Oak Hills in this thread, well done! Morris moving down made sense. I don’t understand why a school, from the same system, as poor as Crookston, wouldn’t do the same. Seems odd to me. I don’t see the benefit, for them, in staying D2/NSIC

My gift to the world is knowing where all the tiny schools are that nobody has ever heard of. Clarkson College in Omaha? I got it covered. That's a school in a school!

I'm guessing the administration is stubborn. Having dealt with university higher-ups, they tend to want to be seen as prestigious so bad that they'll even make up phony metrics to blast out to the populace. So admitting that they failed at DII in the worst possible way and moving down to a "less" prestigious division probably isn't in their lexicon. It's absolutely what they should do, but in higher ed - "should do" and "want too" are usually polar opposites.

That, or the administration genuinely doesn't know they have sports. Which... I mean, is a possibility given how things have gone.

[CollegeFBGuy]

My gift to the world is knowing where all the tiny schools are that nobody has ever heard of. Clarkson College in Omaha? I got it covered. That's a school in a school!

I'm guessing the administration is stubborn. Having dealt with university higher-ups, they tend to want to be seen as prestigious so bad that they'll even make up phony metrics to blast out to the populace. So admitting that they failed at DII in the worst possible way and moving down to a "less" prestigious division probably isn't in their lexicon. It's absolutely what they should do, but in higher ed - "should do" and "want too" are usually polar opposites.

That, or the administration genuinely doesn't know they have sports. Which... I mean, is a possibility given how things have gone.

I actually know a couple of Oak Hills graduates…I might even have a sweatshirt? (Haven’t seen it in a bit)

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I actually know a couple of Oak Hills graduates…I might even have a sweatshirt? (Haven’t seen it in a bit)

That's even more impressive than that one time I saw the campus with my own two eyes - I've always wanted to ask a graduate of a place like that why they chose that school, what they thought of it while attending there, and what they did with that education afterward. Purely out of curiosity.

[Millsy]

That's even more impressive than that one time I saw the campus with my own two eyes - I've always wanted to ask a graduate of a place like that why they chose that school, what they thought of it while attending there, and what they did with that education afterward. Purely out of curiosity.

Man, I went to Bemidji State and I can't ever recall seeing the Oak Hills Campus... LOL!

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Man, I went to Bemidji State and I can't ever recall seeing the Oak Hills Campus... LOL!

It's like a unicorn - only a few select people have seen it! Haha

I think I was up there once and we knew there was another college nearby so we checked it out for a bit. Very, very tiny - almost had a summer camp vibe to it.

[CollegeFBGuy]

Man, I went to Bemidji State and I can't ever recall seeing the Oak Hills Campus... LOL!

There's not much to see...two dorm buildings, only 2 or maybe 3 levels? Very small. Very intimate. Cool spot on Lake Marquette. Not much to drive through. Seems like it does a good job for what it's purpose and mission is

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Northern men's basketball will host Dickinson, Dakota State and play a home and away with Jamestown this year. If they win any games, I pray it's these four.

[zimmy21]

Northern men's basketball will host Dickinson, Dakota State and play a home and away with Jamestown this year. If they win any games, I pray it's these four.

A home and home with Jamestown? Seems weird that they scheduled 2 non-cons against the same team

[Stanger86]

A home and home with Jamestown? Seems weird that they scheduled 2 non-cons against the same team

Not really, especially considering they will be conference opponents next season and playing each other twice.

SMSU and Mankato played twice in 2005-06, though one was a neutral site game in Aberdeen. SMSU and NDSU played twice in 2004-05, as well.