Should Jamestown be accepted into the NSIC?

[SW_Mustang]

The process has begun and the path is being laid in front of us for the eventual addition of Dakota State and maybe Bellevue to be added to the NSIC sans MSU and Augie

Your logic is mesmerizing. Those two schools are to D1 what DSU and Bellevue are to D2.

But alas, DSU is 3-0 right now - so I don't quite get the vitriol towards them. They also did this handy thing called... building a football stadium. Novel concept.

Augie played great last night but they still lost by 21 to a mid-tier D1 program at best, and MSU wouldn't have faired any better.

[njmav1]

Your logic is mesmerizing. Those two schools are to D1 what DSU and Bellevue are to D2.

But alas, DSU is 3-0 right now - so I don't quite get the vitriol towards them. They also did this handy thing called... building a football stadium. Novel concept.

Augie played great last night but they still lost by 21 to a mid-tier D1 program at best, and MSU wouldn't have faired any better.

SDSU a mid-tier FCS program? You're joking right?

[Purple Mav Man]

SDSU a mid-tier FCS program? You're joking right?

The distinction here is D1, not FCS. They are definitely a top FCS program, but mid-tier overall D1 is accurate. I think that was the point he was trying to make.

[SW_Mustang]

SDSU a mid-tier FCS program? You're joking right?

That's not what I said. I said they were a mid-tier DI program.

Put them up against any top DI team in the country - say, Oklahoma State, and see how they fare.

[zimmy21]

Your logic is mesmerizing. Those two schools are to D1 what DSU and Bellevue are to D2.

But alas, DSU is 3-0 right now - so I don't quite get the vitriol towards them. They also did this handy thing called... building a football stadium. Novel concept.

Augie played great last night but they still lost by 21 to a mid-tier D1 program at best, and MSU wouldn't have faired any better.

No Vitriol at all, I'd much rather have them over Jamestown. What I'm stating is that paths are opening up for realignment again and I there is likely to be a real shot Augie and MSU get the call up.
While Dakota State and someone else can take out spots.
Where exactly did you think I was hating on Dakota State?

[SW_Mustang]

The distinction here is D1, not FCS. They are definitely a top FCS program, but mid-tier overall D1 is accurate. I think that was the point he was trying to make.

Bingo.

I think the concept of FCS is silly, obviously. But my point is, that it's dumb to harp on NAIA teams that offer nothing to D2/NSIC, then advocate for D2 teams that offer nothing to DI - especially when one of those NAIA teams scored 80+ points in 3 games and just built a really nice stadium.

I'm not saying DSU is ready, yet - or if they ever will be, but it's such bizarre logic.

[SW_Mustang]

No Vitriol at all, I'd much rather have them over Jamestown. What I'm stating is that paths are opening up for realignment again and I there is likely to be a real shot Augie and MSU get the call up.
While Dakota State and someone else can take out spots.
Where exactly did you think I was hating on Dakota State?

I see your point about realignment, but I assumed you were being sarcastic because you lumped DSU in with Bellevue, which is a school absolutely nobody is advocating for. They aren't the same thing at all.

[njmav1]

The distinction here is D1, not FCS. They are definitely a top FCS program, but mid-tier overall D1 is accurate. I think that was the point he was trying to make.

I don't think so. The distinction here is FCS vs FBS. As college football fans, we know enough not to confuse the two. The context was Augie playing an FCS program.

[vikingfaithful]

Bingo.

I think the concept of FCS is silly, obviously. But my point is, that it's dumb to harp on NAIA teams that offer nothing to D2/NSIC, then advocate for D2 teams that offer nothing to DI - especially when one of those NAIA teams scored 80+ points in 3 games and just built a really nice stadium.

I'm not saying DSU is ready, yet - or if they ever will be, but it's such bizarre logic.

Are academic requirements at NAIA schools as stringent as NCAA programs?

[Purple Mav Man]

I don't think so. The distinction here is FCS vs FBS. As college football fans, we know enough not to confuse the two. The context was Augie playing an FCS program.

I’m not going to argue someone else’s point with you. Haha. Especially when he’s stated that was in fact his point. It may be wrong :)

[SW_Mustang]

I don't think so. The distinction here is FCS vs FBS. As college football fans, we know enough not to confuse the two. The context was Augie playing an FCS program.

SDSU is a DI football program. Alabama is also a DI football program. One is clearly a lot better than the other.

Nothing I said was incorrect. I don't think I said anything about Augie playing them, either. Where are you getting that from?

[SW_Mustang]

Are academic requirements at NAIA schools as stringent as NCAA programs?

Couldn't tell you, but the NCAA let's Grand Canyon play in the NCAA Tournament and failed to sanction UNC on paper courses because of precident, so I can't imagine they care too much.

[SW_Mustang]

It's not an insult to SDSU, NDSU - or whoever to say it's not top tier football. I think anyone that's seen a college football game knows that.

My original point is that there are no D2 schools - MSU and Augie included, that can add anything of value to DI. It's silly to assume so, and if that's the bar we want to use, then we shouldn't harp on NAIA schools wanting to join the NCAA.

[vikingfaithful]

Couldn't tell you, but the NCAA let's Grand Canyon play in the NCAA Tournament and failed to sanction UNC on paper courses because of precident, so I can't imagine they care too much.

OJ Simpson graduated from prestigious USC and could not pass a 5th grade spelling test. So, there are ways around academics at least with FBS schools.

[njmav1]

SDSU is a DI football program. Alabama is also a DI football program. One is clearly a lot better than the other.

Nothing I said was incorrect. I don't think I said anything about Augie playing them, either. Where are you getting that from?

Augie played great last night but they still lost by 21 to a mid-tier D1 program at best, and MSU wouldn't have faired any better.

C'mon now. You can't lump SDSU with Alabama. They've built their programs to different rules. FCS and FBS are different football divisions sharing only the "D1" moniker. That's why SDSU and Michigan are both D1 national champions in football.