Should Jamestown be accepted into the NSIC?

[SW_Mustang]

The distinction here is D1, not FCS. They are definitely a top FCS program, but mid-tier overall D1 is accurate. I think that was the point he was trying to make.

Bingo.

I think the concept of FCS is silly, obviously. But my point is, that it's dumb to harp on NAIA teams that offer nothing to D2/NSIC, then advocate for D2 teams that offer nothing to DI - especially when one of those NAIA teams scored 80+ points in 3 games and just built a really nice stadium.

I'm not saying DSU is ready, yet - or if they ever will be, but it's such bizarre logic.

[SW_Mustang]

No Vitriol at all, I'd much rather have them over Jamestown. What I'm stating is that paths are opening up for realignment again and I there is likely to be a real shot Augie and MSU get the call up.
While Dakota State and someone else can take out spots.
Where exactly did you think I was hating on Dakota State?

I see your point about realignment, but I assumed you were being sarcastic because you lumped DSU in with Bellevue, which is a school absolutely nobody is advocating for. They aren't the same thing at all.

[njmav1]

The distinction here is D1, not FCS. They are definitely a top FCS program, but mid-tier overall D1 is accurate. I think that was the point he was trying to make.

I don't think so. The distinction here is FCS vs FBS. As college football fans, we know enough not to confuse the two. The context was Augie playing an FCS program.

[vikingfaithful]

Bingo.

I think the concept of FCS is silly, obviously. But my point is, that it's dumb to harp on NAIA teams that offer nothing to D2/NSIC, then advocate for D2 teams that offer nothing to DI - especially when one of those NAIA teams scored 80+ points in 3 games and just built a really nice stadium.

I'm not saying DSU is ready, yet - or if they ever will be, but it's such bizarre logic.

Are academic requirements at NAIA schools as stringent as NCAA programs?

[Purple Mav Man]

I don't think so. The distinction here is FCS vs FBS. As college football fans, we know enough not to confuse the two. The context was Augie playing an FCS program.

I’m not going to argue someone else’s point with you. Haha. Especially when he’s stated that was in fact his point. It may be wrong :)

[SW_Mustang]

I don't think so. The distinction here is FCS vs FBS. As college football fans, we know enough not to confuse the two. The context was Augie playing an FCS program.

SDSU is a DI football program. Alabama is also a DI football program. One is clearly a lot better than the other.

Nothing I said was incorrect. I don't think I said anything about Augie playing them, either. Where are you getting that from?

[SW_Mustang]

Are academic requirements at NAIA schools as stringent as NCAA programs?

Couldn't tell you, but the NCAA let's Grand Canyon play in the NCAA Tournament and failed to sanction UNC on paper courses because of precident, so I can't imagine they care too much.

[SW_Mustang]

It's not an insult to SDSU, NDSU - or whoever to say it's not top tier football. I think anyone that's seen a college football game knows that.

My original point is that there are no D2 schools - MSU and Augie included, that can add anything of value to DI. It's silly to assume so, and if that's the bar we want to use, then we shouldn't harp on NAIA schools wanting to join the NCAA.

[vikingfaithful]

Couldn't tell you, but the NCAA let's Grand Canyon play in the NCAA Tournament and failed to sanction UNC on paper courses because of precident, so I can't imagine they care too much.

OJ Simpson graduated from prestigious USC and could not pass a 5th grade spelling test. So, there are ways around academics at least with FBS schools.

[njmav1]

SDSU is a DI football program. Alabama is also a DI football program. One is clearly a lot better than the other.

Nothing I said was incorrect. I don't think I said anything about Augie playing them, either. Where are you getting that from?

Augie played great last night but they still lost by 21 to a mid-tier D1 program at best, and MSU wouldn't have faired any better.

C'mon now. You can't lump SDSU with Alabama. They've built their programs to different rules. FCS and FBS are different football divisions sharing only the "D1" moniker. That's why SDSU and Michigan are both D1 national champions in football.

[SW_Mustang]

C'mon now. You can't lump SDSU with Alabama. They've built their programs to different rules. FCS and FBS are different football divisions sharing only the "D1" moniker. That's why SDSU and Michigan are both D1 national champions in football.

Okay, you got me there - I forgot I posted that offhand comment.

They are subdivisions under NCAA DI. We can get into semantics, but Michigan and SDSU are both DI football programs competing for different trophies. It's an absolutely insane idea, but whatever.

SDSU and NDSU desperately want to be seen as FBS caliber programs though, so I have no qualms about judging them on those standards.

[njmav1]

Okay, you got me there - I forgot I posted that offhand comment.

They are subdivisions under NCAA DI. We can get into semantics, but Michigan and SDSU are both DI football programs competing for different trophies. It's an absolutely insane idea, but whatever.

SDSU and NDSU desperately want to be seen as FBS caliber programs though, so I have no qualms about judging them on those standards.

I don't follow SDSU or NDSU football, so I don't know if they (or their fans) consider themselves FBS caliber programs. You would know better than I and now I get your comment.

[SW_Mustang]

OJ Simpson graduated from prestigious USC and could not pass a 5th grade spelling test. So, there are ways around academics at least with FBS schools.

I almost think the lesser divisions have higher standards - but they also have far less to gain by having a winning football team.

The mistake we made was tying athletics to academics to begin with - we can thank the Ivy League for that. We're way too far deep to switch to the European model of athletic development, so gotta work with what we have.

[zimmy21]

I see your point about realignment, but I assumed you were being sarcastic because you lumped DSU in with Bellevue, which is a school absolutely nobody is advocating for. They aren't the same thing at all.

Was just a quick comment in the moment. I knew Morningside would immediately be commented on by someone here that they'll never leave NAIA because they're comfortable. So went with the 2nd school of the cuff

[SW_Mustang]

I don't follow SDSU or NDSU football, so I don't know if they (or their fans) consider themselves FBS caliber programs. You would know better than I and now I get your comment.

NDSU occupied a space where they could have their cake and eat it too. They were beating semi-quality FBS teams and getting College Gameday, but had the safety net of an FCS trophy to contend for. To sum up how insufferable the fanbase was - people were unironically making signs that said "We Want Bama." I even heard once that there were calls to join the Big10 but I can't confirm it.

SDSU was the little brother, and now they are in control of the bracket. It's made that fanbase almost as equally as insufferable. I've talked to some alumni who are frankly kind of embarrassed by it because they didn't want to stoop to the level NDSU is on. It's also bled into the other sports, which are not quality programs even by NSIC standards. One Jacks fan told me that SMSU (and the NSIC) eats their lunch on volleyball recruiting, for example.

IMO - if a school wants to be DI, let them be DI and deal with all that comes with it. The more contingencies we put in for the lesser DIs, the worse the overall product becomes. I also truly don't believe Augustana, MSU, GVSU, NWMSU, etc. - have anything to add to D1 by any tangible measurement, just as I believe SDSU and NDSU don't add anything to DI, especially from a top down perspective.

I don't hate SDSU - they were very nice by letting me prepare for grad school with them. A couple of guys on the team gave me some great insight for a class project I did and I'm grateful for it. The games can be really fun. I'm just tired of the lunacy. I chose to be a fan on my own terms - which included secretly rooting for Augie last night despite half of my team sitting in my section lol.