Should Jamestown be accepted into the NSIC?

[SW_Mustang]

All good. It was just an easy one to poke out :) Again, not exactly a big conference breaking the trend though.

There was some talk in there somewhere about further schools, but not the SE schools you mention there. And I’m certainly not saying geography doesn’t matter, it just shouldn’t be the only factor.

Nope, you didn’t. I know you and Stanger are different. I also didn’t say you called me an elitist… haha. Hell, stanger hasn’t outright called me one either. Just indirect references.

I saw this after my previous reply. My comment about moving to the SE was intended to come across as an extreme example. Point being, at some point it's "too far." That line is defined different for everyone. I agree - it's not the only qualification for entry. I'd have to look but I think I acknowledged that I wasn't making any claims for or against Jamestown, just that I felt like your statement came across as an absolute and that was what I disagreed with. Maybe it wasn't intended that way.

Aside from *ahem* maybe one school *cough* (and not the purple one) - I don't see any NSIC members and being elitist. Granted, I wasn't around for the NCC days - which seems to come up a lot in these discussions.

[SW_Mustang]

I think you're overlooking that the point most of us are trying to prove is that adding Jamestown is at best expansion for expansions sake, or at worse cowardice. A couple of us more vocal folk on this page have asked for contraction. Or a split, which I'd be fine with.

I kinda went over it in my previous reply that I was typing when you posted this.

I read his statement as an absolute, and I acknowledge that maybe it wasn't intended that way in my previous reply. It's tough to have these convos virtually as a lot of context gets lost.

As for Jamestown - the only thing I've maintained in this thread is that they are not the best option, nor do I believe they are the worst. They don't crack my top 5 most wanted schools, but they aren't in my bottom 5 either. It can be seen as fence sitting, but it's genuinely the way that I feel. Am I happy about their membership? Not really. Would I rather have them than Morris or Northland? Absolutely - given that the NSIC was going to expand whether I wanted them too or not.

I can agree that geography matters and isn't the top priority when building a conference. I can't agree to geography simply not being a qualification at all - which is how I read the statement I replied too.

[Stanger86]

A couple of us more vocal folk on this page have asked for contraction. Or a split, which I'd be fine with.

I'm guessing it will happen eventually. But probably not until there are enough schools to be able to do one, that's kinda important.

I know it isn't what happened to the former NCC, where those schools completely bailed and left the four schools in the dust. But when a split happens, all of the schools will still be Division II institutions. There are working relationships with human beings at play in a decision like this. Schools will need opponents in all sports (again, this is about more than football). So no, I don't think it's right to just leave other institutions hanging if they are interested in joining the NSIC, are within the footprint, and are 500 miles from the next nearest Division II institutions (both in opposite directions) just because their football program isn't competitive at a national, 36-scholarship level right off the bat.

[vikingfaithful]

When the big NCC schools left they asked the rest of the members to come with them. Augustana paid for a feasibility study, which advised them to stay D2. Those schools that left were only thinking about their travel costs.

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[vikingfaithful]

Jims celebrate in front of big fanbase after a victory

Jamestown Football on X: "JIMMIES WIN 21-13‼️ Cue the fight song‼️ #ChopAndCarry x #JimmiePride https://t.co/bBWAkQgEJ2" / X

[Stanger86]

When the big NCC schools left they asked the rest of the members to come with them.

Don't know that I buy that, sorry.

[vikingfaithful]

Don't know that I buy that, sorry.

It's absolutely true Stanger. I have no reason to lie or embellish the truth. They were floating around for games, without a conference.

[laker]

It's absolutely true Stanger. I have no reason to lie or embellish the truth. They were floating around for games, without a conference.

From a guy who was at the NCC conference meeting who told me- they talked about the entire conference moving to D1. The first night, they had the votes to do it- They knew that they would lose Morningside. The next day, SCSU switched their vote- and MSU, who followed everything that SCSU did back then like a puppy dog, did too. It would have been interesting to see how each school voted- the four Dakota schools probably yes (maybe not UND), UNC yes. UNO and the hockey schools- probably no.

[Stanger86]

It's absolutely true Stanger. I have no reason to lie or embellish the truth. They were floating around for games, without a conference.

I wasn't trying to say you were lying, I just had a hard time believing it. I just don't see what those schools would have gained by the rest of the league making the move up at that time.

[Finchwidget]

From a guy who was at the NCC conference meeting who told me- they talked about the entire conference moving to D1. The first night, they had the votes to do it- They knew that they would lose Morningside. The next day, SCSU switched their vote- and MSU, who followed everything that SCSU did back then like a puppy dog, did too. It would have been interesting to see how each school voted- the four Dakota schools probably yes (maybe not UND), UNC yes. UNO and the hockey schools- probably no.

Didn't know that, thanks to you & vikingfaithful for sharing. Makes for an interesting "what-if" scenario about what that would look like today if it had come to pass

[Purple Mav Man]

I wasn't trying to say you were lying, I just had a hard time believing it. I just don't see what those schools would have gained by the rest of the league making the move up at that time.

But you somehow see the current schools gaining something from Jamestown moving up?

[Stanger86]

But you somehow see the current schools gaining something from Jamestown moving up?

Yes. It might not be something that we as fans like to talk about or think is important, but I absolutely think that getting back to an even number of schools was very significant for the schools.

[Purple Mav Man]

Yes. It might not be something that we as fans like to talk about or think is important, but I absolutely think that getting back to an even number of schools was very significant for the schools.

But wouldn’t the teams leaving the NCC want the same and the ease of scheduling? I guess I find it really strange that you see a value to Jamestown but can’t see the value it would have been back then? It’s damn near the same thing…ease of scheduling and that’s it.

[vikingfaithful]

I wasn't trying to say you were lying, I just had a hard time believing it. I just don't see what those schools would have gained by the rest of the league making the move up at that time.

Apo[ologize for you thinking I was calling out. I have the upmost respect for how you stand up for your beliefs. Peace.

[vikingfaithful]

But you somehow see the current schools gaining something from Jamestown moving up?

Jamestown only impact is closer games for schools in the North and an even number of universities. Like all leagues the NSIC will consist of haves and have nots.