Should Jamestown be accepted into the NSIC?

[Purple Mav Man]

I did this a few years back and while I was looking at it from the lens of where my Cougars have landed, I think it's appropriate to dig back up and update. Below is the NSIC All-Sports Standings since USF and Minot joined the league in 2012. I get this is a football board, but Stanger is right, the decision being made by the administrators is so much more than that.

• USF has always been in the top half finishing as high as #3 in 2018-2019 and no lower than 7
• Minot 's best finish was 11th in 2018-2019
• The other most recent NAIA call up is Mary. After years of hovering in the middle of the pack, finishing as low as 12th. Post-pandemic Mary has been 4 twice. Interesting.
• Side note: Despite Bemidji's football success I was shocked to see them so low in this year after year.

Feel free to analyze and cherry pick stats as you see fit but it's interesting to take a look at the numbers and envision where the Jimmies could potentially slot as previously discussed. Does looking at all the schools commitment to all sports over a decade plus reveal that we should even add another school?

2012-13 NSIC /U.S. Bank All Sports Competition Final Standings
RK School Points Last Year
1. Minnesota State (17) 190
2. Augustana (17) 164
3. Winona State (14) 148
4. St. Cloud State (17) 142.5
5. Minnesota Duluth (14) 115.33
6. Sioux Falls (16) 106
7. Concordia-St. Paul (15) 98.08
8. University of Mary (17) 97.5
9. Northern State (16) 84
10. Wayne State (15) 81.5
11. Upper Iowa (12) 78.5
12. MSU Moorhead (15) 74.5
13. Minot State (16) 73.75
14. Southwest Minnesota State (12) 65.33
15. Bemidji State (13) 64.5
16. Minnesota Crookston (10) 25.5
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2013-14 NSIC /U.S. Bank All Sports Competition Final Standings
RK School............................................ ....Points
1. Minnesota State (17)........................173.5
2. Augustana (17).................................159.5
3. St. Cloud State (17)............................ 132
4. Winona State (14) ............................130.5
5. Minnesota Duluth (14)......................122.5
6. Sioux Falls (16) .............................102.25
7. University of Mary (15) ........................101
8. Concordia-St. Paul (15)......................97.5
9. Southwest Minnesota State (16) ......95.75
10. MSU Moorhead (15)...........................86.5
11. Northern State (14)...........................83.75
12. Wayne State (13)...................................79
13. Upper Iowa (12)..................................78.5
14. Minot State (16).....................................72
15. Bemijdji State (13)............................54.75
16. Minnesota Crookston (10).....................32
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2014-15 NSIC /US Bank All Sports Competition Final Standings
RK School Points
1. Augustana (17) 184
2. Minnesota State (17) 176.5
3. Winona State (14) 125.5
4. Minnesota Duluth (14) 125
5. St. Cloud State (17) 121
6. Sioux Falls (16) 108
7. Northern State (14) 99.75
8. MSU Moorhead (15) 98
9. Upper Iowa (12) 93.5
10. Concordia-St. Paul (15) 86.75
11. Wayne State (13) 80.5
12. U-Mary (15) 77
13. SMSU (16) 75.5
14. Minot State (16) 59.75
15. Bemidji State (13) 44.25
16. Minnesota Crookston (10) 33
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2015-16 NSIC/US Bank All Sports Competition Final Standings
RK School Points
1. Augustana (17) 184.5
2. Minnesota State Mankato (17) 173.5
3. Winona State (14) 128.5
4. St. Cloud State (17) 124.5
5. Minnesota Duluth (14) 119
6. Sioux Falls (16) 111
7. Northern State (14) 105
8. MSU Moorhead (15) 104
9. SMSU (16) 88.5
10. University of Mary (15) 86.5
11. Upper Iowa (12) 85
12. Concordia-St. Paul (15) 83
13. Wayne State (13) 66.75
14. Bemidji State (13) 66
15. Minot State (16) 50.75
16. Minnesota Crookston (10) 39.5
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2016-17 NSIC All Sports Competition Final Standings
RK School Points
1. Augustana (18) 180
2. Minnesota State (18) 178
3. Winona State (14) 127
4. Minnesota Duluth (14) 119.25
5. St. Cloud State (14) 118
6. MSU Moorhead (16) 108.25
7. Sioux Falls (17) 105.5
8. Northern State (15) 98
9. University of Mary (16) 88
10. SMSU (16) 85.75
11. Concordia-St. Paul (15) 82.5
12. Minot State (16) 77
13. Wayne State (13) 76.75
14. Bemidji State (13) 74.75
15. Upper Iowa (12) 72.25
16. Minnesota Crookston (10) 29
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2017-18 NSIC All Sports Competition Final Standings
RK School............................................ ....Points
1. Minnesota State (18)......................196.00
2. Augustana (18)...............................193.33
3. Winona State (14) ..........................151.50
4. Sioux Falls (17) ..............................146.50
5. Minnesota Duluth (14)....................139.00
6. St. Cloud State (14)........................126.00
7. University of Mary (16) ...................120.00
8. Northern State (15).........................119.83
9. Concordia-St. Paul (15)..................105.50
10. Wayne State (13)..............................93.00
11. MSU Moorhead (16).........................88.33
12. Minot State (16)................................87.50
13. SMSU (16)........................................81.00
14. Upper Iowa (12)................................70.50
15. Bemidji State (13).............................67.00
16. Minnesota Crookston (10)................23.00
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2018-19 NSIC All Sports Competition - Overall Final Standings
Rk School Points
1. Minnesota State (18) 198
2. Augustana (18) 186.5
3. Sioux Falls (17) 149
4. Minnesota Duluth (14) 148.5
5. Winona State (14) 134.5
6. University of Mary (16) 133.5
7. St. Cloud State (14) 132.5
8. Northern State (15) 112
9. Concordia-St. Paul (15) 109.5
10. MSU Moorhead (16) 105.5
11. Minot State (16) 79
12. Wayne State (13) 77.5
13. Bemidji State (13) 76.5
14. SMSU (16) 76
15. Upper Iowa (12) 62
16. Minnesota Crookston (10) 27.5
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2019-20 NSIC All Sports Competition - NOT AWARDED

2020-21 NSIC All Sports Competition - NOT AWARDED

2021-22 NSIC ALL SPORTS COMPETITION FINAL STANDINGS
RK School............................................ ....Points
1. Augustana (18).....................................226.3
2. Minnesota State (18) ...........................196.5
3. Winona State (14)...................................142
4. University of Mary (18)............................139
5. Minnesota Duluth (14) .........................134.3
6. Sioux Falls (17).......................................131
7. Concordia-St. Paul (16)....................... 114.5
8. St. Cloud State (12) ................................ 113
9. Northern State (15)..............................110.5
10. Wayne State (14).................................108.5
11. MSU Moorhead (16).................................97
12. Upper Iowa (17) ........................................88
13. Minot State (16)......................................85.5
14. SMSU (17) .............................................82.5
15. Bemidji State (13)...................................81.3
16. Minnesota Crookston (11) .....................27.5
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2022-23 NSIC ALL SPORTS COMPETITION FINAL STANDINGS
RK School............................................ ....Points
1. Augustana (18)........................................ 211
2. Minnesota State (18) .........................209.33
3. Minnesota Duluth (14) ............................142
4. University of Mary (18)............................136
5. Sioux Falls (17).......................................134
6. Winona State (14)................................131.5
7. Wayne State (14).............................120.333
8. Northern State (15)................................. 117
9. St. Cloud State (12) .............................103.5
10. MSU Moorhead (16)...............................103
11. Concordia-St. Paul (16).........................96.5
12. SMSU (17) ................................................96
13. Bemidji State (13)...............................83.833
14. Minot State (16)......................................81.5
15. Upper Iowa (17) .....................................65.5
16. Minnesota Crookston (11) ........................42
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Most recent GPAC standings:

2022-23 GPAC All-Sports Standings:

1. Dordt

2. Concordia

3. Northwestern

4. Doane

5. Morningside

6. Midland

7. Jamestown

8. Hastings

9. Mount Marty

10. Briar Cliff

11. Dakota Wesleyan

12. College of Saint Mary

[SW_Mustang]

Minot was admitted on the back of USF, to make an even number when the conference was looking for stability.

Now the conference commissioner is saying we're comfortable at 13/15. Is that just blowing some, who knows? The point being, it's different circumstances

That's fair. I wasn't following the NSIC until 2013, so I probably shouldn't be speaking on it.

[Otis Day]

Most recent GPAC standings

Great context. 4life mentioned this on the previous thread. USF was winning the GPAC all-sports award when we moved up. The Jimmies are not.

I cannot speak to however Minot and Mary did in the DAC with Mines and BH for comparisons there.

But not surprisingly, schools that made/make efforts to be competitive remain so. The Mary/SD Mines commitment after years meh isn't the standard for call-ups.

[Purple Mav Man]

Great context. 4life mentioned this on the previous thread. USF was winning the GPAC all-sports award when we moved up. The Jimmies are not.

I cannot speak to however Minot and Mary did in the DAC with Mines and BH for comparisons there.

But not surprisingly, schools that made/make efforts to be competitive remain so. The Mary/SD Mines commitment after years meh isn't the standard for call-ups.

Further history. I’ll just post the link rather than all the tables, but 7th is kinda the ceiling lately.

https://gpacsports.com/GPAC_all-sports_trophy_history

[Millsy]

Outside of football and women's soccer, Bemidji has really struggled. Bemidji can be really hard to recruit to, especially on the women's side of things.

[zimmy21]

Outside of football and women's soccer, Bemidji has really struggled. Bemidji can be really hard to recruit to, especially on the women's side of things.

There's a joke there somewhere I know it

[Millsy]

There's a hole there somewhere I know it

On the men's side, it is easier because of all the outdoor activities (hunting, fishing) close by. When I was teaching, conversations would come up about schools students were looking at, and on the men's side, Bemidji would get looked at because of this. On the women's side, it was hardly ever looked at due to the lack of things to do. Fargo, Grand Forks, Duluth and the Cities were the places being looked at.

[Purple Mav Man]

On the men's side, it is easier because of all the outdoor activities (hunting, fishing) close by. When I was teaching, conversations would come up about schools students were looking at, and on the men's side, Bemidji would get looked at because of this. On the women's side, it was hardly ever looked at due to the lack of things to do. Fargo, Grand Forks, Duluth and the Cities were the places being looked at.

Some people like attention, some like to get away

[MrMustang]

I'm a "yes " vote all the way !

1. They are likely to be as good or better than UMC in every sport except baseball to start out - and UMC was decimated by transfers this year in baseball so who knows. By the way, Gust is a great coach.

2. Did you know UMC offers 4 Men's sports ? Once you start looking at this it's amazing. What a joke. If the league is willing to let UMC drop football and offer 4 sports, how is adding Jamestown a step down? It isn't.

3.St. Cloud is very poorly run and hemoraging in every way and dropped football. Near as I can tell Jamestown is way more stable. Lots of sports, including football. Nice facilities. Nicer than St. Cloud for the most part.

4. And Jamestown is a nice town. No reason it can't be a good addition.

5. Not a bad trip for anyone but maybe Winona and Wayne and Duluth. Yeah would suck for UMD, but so what. Long ways for Winona and Wayne, but almost all 4 lanes.

6. Near as I can tell solid alumni base.

7. I agree they are small and there are negatives too, but overall, they are better than some current members for sure.

[zimmy21]

I'm a "yes " vote all the way !

1. They are likely to be as good or better than UMC in every sport except baseball to start out - and UMC was decimated by transfers this year in baseball so who knows. By the way, Gust is a great coach.

2. Did you know UMC offers 4 Men's sports ? Once you start looking at this it's amazing. What a joke. If the league is willing to let UMC drop football and offer 4 sports, how is adding Jamestown a step down? It isn't.

3.St. Cloud is very poorly run and hemoraging in every way and dropped football. Near as I can tell Jamestown is way more stable. Lots of sports, including football. Nice facilities. Nicer than St. Cloud for the most part.

4. And Jamestown is a nice town. No reason it can't be a good addition.

5. Not a bad trip for anyone but maybe Winona and Wayne and Duluth. Yeah would suck for UMD, but so what. Long ways for Winona and Wayne, but almost all 4 lanes.

6. Near as I can tell solid alumni base.

7. I agree they are small and there are negatives too, but overall, they are better than some current members for sure.

I think everyone here is in agreement UMC and SCSU should be removed from the conference, the comparison to me is moot. Now if they were removed, I'd be more interested in Jamestown. Not sure it would turn me to a Yes vote, but I'd be more willing to listen to the conversation.

[SW_Mustang]

On the men's side, it is easier because of all the outdoor activities (hunting, fishing) close by. When I was teaching, conversations would come up about schools students were looking at, and on the men's side, Bemidji would get looked at because of this. On the women's side, it was hardly ever looked at due to the lack of things to do. Fargo, Grand Forks, Duluth and the Cities were the places being looked at.

When I toured BSU, I remember one of the students that spoke was telling us how great it was being close to St. Cloud, unironically. She then backtracked a bit when the crowd laughed - said that it's not "that far" in relation to where we where, and sometimes you gotta drive if you want to see a bigger area.

Being close to StC was not a draw for me with BSU. Being far away from StC would be a bigger draw for me to BSU, honestly.

Also went to my first hockey game on that trip.

[NSU4LIFE]

I'm a "yes " vote all the way !

1. They are likely to be as good or better than UMC in every sport except baseball to start out - and UMC was decimated by transfers this year in baseball so who knows. By the way, Gust is a great coach.

2. Did you know UMC offers 4 Men's sports ? Once you start looking at this it's amazing. What a joke. If the league is willing to let UMC drop football and offer 4 sports, how is adding Jamestown a step down? It isn't.

3.St. Cloud is very poorly run and hemoraging in every way and dropped football. Near as I can tell Jamestown is way more stable. Lots of sports, including football. Nice facilities. Nicer than St. Cloud for the most part.

4. And Jamestown is a nice town. No reason it can't be a good addition.

5. Not a bad trip for anyone but maybe Winona and Wayne and Duluth. Yeah would suck for UMD, but so what. Long ways for Winona and Wayne, but almost all 4 lanes.

6. Near as I can tell solid alumni base.

7. I agree they are small and there are negatives too, but overall, they are better than some current members for sure.

I never noticed and this is quite surprising to me.

One of Presentation Colleges biggest issues keeping a 5th mens sport. When we switched to NCAA it was a REQUIREMENT to field five mens and five womens teams which is why we were pulling kids from classrooms just to field a team. So unless things have changed, UMC is going to be finding their way down to NAIA soon

[Purple Mav Man]

I'm a "yes " vote all the way !

1. They are likely to be as good or better than UMC in every sport except baseball to start out - and UMC was decimated by transfers this year in baseball so who knows. By the way, Gust is a great coach.

2. Did you know UMC offers 4 Men's sports ? Once you start looking at this it's amazing. What a joke. If the league is willing to let UMC drop football and offer 4 sports, how is adding Jamestown a step down? It isn't.

3.St. Cloud is very poorly run and hemoraging in every way and dropped football. Near as I can tell Jamestown is way more stable. Lots of sports, including football. Nice facilities. Nicer than St. Cloud for the most part.

4. And Jamestown is a nice town. No reason it can't be a good addition.

5. Not a bad trip for anyone but maybe Winona and Wayne and Duluth. Yeah would suck for UMD, but so what. Long ways for Winona and Wayne, but almost all 4 lanes.

6. Near as I can tell solid alumni base.

7. I agree they are small and there are negatives too, but overall, they are better than some current members for sure.

This sounds much more like an argument AGAINST Crookston and St Cloud than FOR Jamestown. Which, I can get behind. Ha

But it still doesn’t provide a ‘why’. 6 is clearly a guess.

[NSU4LIFE]

I never noticed and this is quite surprising to me.

One of Presentation Colleges biggest issues keeping a 5th mens sport. When we switched to NCAA it was a REQUIREMENT to field five mens and five womens teams which is why we were pulling kids from classrooms just to field a team. So unless things have changed, UMC is going to be finding their way down to NAIA soon

Bottom of page 25 in the NCAA Division II manual says as much still. Unless hockey counts as an NCAA sport for them but I thought they were just a club (The way hockey is organized makes no sense to me)

[zimmy21]

Bottom of page 25 in the NCAA Division II manual says as much still. Unless hockey counts as an NCAA sport for them but I thought they were just a club (The way hockey is organized makes no sense to me)

They do not sponsor NCAA Hockey, so that is curious.