Iup basketball

[IUPbigINDIANS]

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Yes, it was the '10-'11 game I'm thinking of. I believe Scooter Renkin had a 30-foot heave at the buzzer just miss off the front rim. I was in the SRO crowd that night, and I recall it felt like a kind of "changing of the guard" game.

But you're right--for as much as a potential WLU-IUP match-up looms large in everyone's minds, it's odd how infrequently it's come down to that.

The field has improved so drastically in the past couple years. The PSAC East has really emerged and started emphasizing basketball. That divison last year was just sick.

You guys saw Ship and they didn't even win the East. It was brutal.

Add to it Fairmont came back to power and Wheeling Jesuit had that run.

I wouldn't say the odds are great WL and IUP play this year but it is certainly possible. It will hopefully be here for the first time. Amazingly. The KCAC can be brutal.

IUP and WL have one NCAA win combined in the past two years (IUP two years ago). That's all the proof needed to show how much better the Atlantic has become.

[Scrub]

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They haven't played that often -- surprisingly. The last meeting was in 14-15 when IUP won the region down there. The year before WL won in 2OT -- something like 89-88 (that game was at East Stroudsburg in the second round). WL won in '10-11, 89-86 and in '12-13, 86-63. In this recent era, per se, WL leads the series 3-2. IUP leads the all-time series, 4-3.

Yes, it was the '10-'11 game I'm thinking of. I believe Scooter Renkin had a 30-foot heave at the buzzer just miss off the front rim. I was in the SRO crowd that night, and I recall it felt like a kind of "changing of the guard" game.

But you're right--for as much as a potential WLU-IUP match-up looms large in everyone's minds, it's odd how infrequently it's come down to that.

[IUPbigINDIANS]

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Thanks, IUPbig. So, it must have been the '10-'11 team that lost a Regional Final to WLU in a tight late-game situation. I recall attending a game like that--in many ways a game that launched the WLU run of Elite 8s, but I just couldn't remember (again, being too lazy to look it up) which year was the start of that run and, really, marked a kind of changing of the guard between IUP and WLU in this region. Who knows--maybe this year will mark a changing of the guard back to a situation in which IUP is the team to beat in the coming run. Must have been '10-'11 then.

They haven't played that often -- surprisingly. The last meeting was in 14-15 when IUP won the region down there. The year before WL won in 2OT -- something like 89-88 (that game was at East Stroudsburg in the second round). WL won in '10-11, 89-86 and in '12-13, 86-63. In this recent era, per se, WL leads the series 3-2. IUP leads the all-time series, 4-3.

[Scrub]

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The '09-10 and the '14-15 teams both made the national title game but both lost. As discussed yesterday the '14-'15 team didn't have a tremendous regular season (23-5) but caught fire at the end.

IUP made the Final Four in '94-95, '02, '10 and '15

Elight Eight in 94-95, '00, '02, '10, '15


What many call the best team in school history was the '09-'10 team (33-3) although it's debatable for sure with the '94-'95 group. The '09-'10 team won the Regional at WL and eventually lost the title game to Cal Poly Ponoma.

Thanks, IUPbig. So, it must have been the '10-'11 team that lost a Regional Final to WLU in a tight late-game situation. I recall attending a game like that--in many ways a game that launched the WLU run of Elite 8s, but I just couldn't remember (again, being too lazy to look it up) which year was the start of that run and, really, marked a kind of changing of the guard between IUP and WLU in this region. Who knows--maybe this year will mark a changing of the guard back to a situation in which IUP is the team to beat in the coming run. Must have been '10-'11 then.

[IUPbigINDIANS]

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How is .929 better than .960 winning %?

Most wins ... of course they play more games now.

[boatcapt]

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How is .929 better than .960 winning %?

[IUPbigINDIANS]

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For those of us less familiar with IUP's history (and, frankly, who are too lazy to look it up), do you happen to know the postseason finishes of those previous top IUP teams? Was the '09-'10 team the one that lost on a last-second shot to WLU in the Regional Final on the Hilltop (which I seem to have memory of)? And how did those others fare in the postseason?

The '09-10 and the '14-15 teams both made the national title game but both lost. As discussed yesterday the '14-'15 team didn't have a tremendous regular season (23-5) but caught fire at the end.

IUP made the Final Four in '94-95, '02, '10 and '15

Elight Eight in 94-95, '00, '02, '10, '15


What many call the best team in school history was the '09-'10 team (33-3) although it's debatable for sure with the '94-'95 group. The '09-'10 team won the Regional at WL and eventually lost the title game to Cal Poly Ponoma.

[Scrub]

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For those of us less familiar with IUP's history (and, frankly, who are too lazy to look it up), do you happen to know the postseason finishes of those previous top IUP teams? Was the '09-'10 team the one that lost on a last-second shot to WLU in the Regional Final on the Hilltop (which I seem to have memory of)? And how did those others fare in the postseason?

[IUPbigINDIANS]

[hawks16]

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As time passes we tend to remember certain players in certain ways. DeVante Chance often gets recalled as almost having an immortal senior season.

It may surprise many of you that Dante Lombardi is having, statistically, a nearly identical senior season.

Keep in mind Chance played 38 games as a senior. Dante has played just 28 so far.


Minutes per game: Lombardi 36.2 - Chance 38

FG%: Lombardi 44% Chance 46%

3-point%: Lombardi 38% Chance 40%

FT%: Lombardi 82% Chance 80%

PPG: Lombardi 16.8 Chance 16.5

Assists: Lombardi 155 Chance 217

TOs: Lombardi 96 Chance 130


I'm not suggesting one is better than the other or anything but thought it may surprise many on here to see how nearly identical their numbers actually are when you put them on paper beside one another.


Another comparison: Chance's senior team which advanced to the national final stood at 23-5 entering the PSAC Tournament. This year's team is currently at 26-2.


So, just for fun, put the 2018-19 team up against the 2014-15 team. Not so easy.

The final question during postgame interviews with players would always be, "do you have any other thoughts?" Devante ended every interview with "(insert IUP's record), Hawk Family. On to the next." I don't know why I remember that. I do remember interviewing Marcel once while he was eating a half-cold leftover corn dog the concessions people sent down the locker room.

[EyeoftheHawk]

[IUPbigINDIANS]

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They are very different. I've seen Cobo play 120-some games. I can't tell you how many nights you see him play and then look at the boxscore afterward and are like WTF?

He's a statisic machine. There's nights it feels like he has 8 points and then the boxscore says 27 points, 10 boards and 5 assists.

He's not nearly as flashy as Webb but is every bit as effective. Different teams and different IUP styles.

Cobo should soon join Webb with a retired number.

Daddy Ugbede was another one that I think goes underrated. Offensively he was nearly unstoppable (when Joe would cut him loose). If he wasn't a foul machine he could have had gigantic numbers. His spin move was the best I've ever seen.

[IUP24]

Looking back at that team:

Devante: 16.5 ppg
Dyer: 14.2 ppg
Norfleet: 11.4 ppg
Daddy: 11.0 ppg
Jeffers: 8.1 ppg
Hanner: 5.5 ppg
Cottrell: 3.6 ppg (with 60 blocks)
Manny Yarde: 3.0 ppg

That team was much better at the FT line compared to this one (almost a full 10 points better at 79%). They are about a wash from deep.

That team only scored 74.53 per game (but only gave up 62.75 per game).

It's sick to thing back to that guard trio of Chance, Norfleet and Dyer. Recall they took a while to kind of learn to co-exist.

[IUP24]

[IUPTrackMan]

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I'll take the Mighty Webb. Absolute monster in the low post. D-II POY.

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Really hate to snub Cobo, but Webb was my first reaction too.