OT: D1

[Bart]

Everyone in the field got different payouts.

https://www.sportico.com/leagues/col...ts-1234824580/

Notre Dame walked home with 20 million clear
Texastan 10.25 million...the SEC gave them a big bonus,
Every BIG Team in the conference got the same payout 2.56 million....so you got paid even if you sucked.
SMU and Clemson got 4 million a piece
Arizona State got 500K because they had to share it too

Crazy to think Ohio State spent $20 million on players this year, and got 2 or 3 million in winnings..

[IUPNation]

You’ve mostly missed the entirety of what I’ve discussed over and over. And I’m not sure what Pitt has to do with anything. They’ll never even be part of this conversation. One loss will disqualify them. And they’re never going to go undefeated. What bowl game they go to is mostly irrelevant.

I think you’re confusing me not being a fan of this with believing that I think something else is far superior. I don’t believe that to be the case. I liked the four team playoff better than this format, but what I always stated (for years here) was that I preferred the BCS to the CFP. I’ve always been consistent in that opinion. And the BCS was not perfect. I said early on the CFP would be detrimental to FBS college football. It has created an arms race over a ten year period unlike anything we’ve seen. The playoff or bust culture that was ushered in aided a few programs with stockpiling all of the talent. Was there a gap between the best programs and the others previously? Yes. Is that gap wider today than it was before? Yes.

I also don’t understand why Saban lives rent free in everyone’s brains.

The four team system was terrible. It left out conference champions. That was not right.

I hated the BCS and the 4 team system because it relied on the spreadsheets. I hate that. I hate it for D2. It is a terrible way to pick teams. Playoff teams should come from teams that made the goal. Get to Conference Chsmpionship weekend and you are playing for that title dnd a bye week. Losers goes to Week 1 campus week. It makes those regular season games matter!

The regular season is now a process to get to the second season. Every conference has a shot. A Mountain West team got a bye week..unthinkable in 4 team setup.

This was a great post season

[Ram040506]

The four team system was terrible. It left out conference champions. That was not right.

I hated the BCS and the 4 team system because it relied on the spreadsheets. I hate that. I hate it for D2. It is a terrible way to pick teams. Playoff teams should come from teams that made the goal. Get to Conference Chsmpionship weekend and you are playing for that title dnd a bye week. Losers goes to Week 1 campus week. It makes those regular season games matter!

The regular season is now a process to get to the second season. Every conference has a shot. A Mountain West team got a bye week..unthinkable in 4 team setup.

This was a great post season

D2 just eliminated EA and now will be giving auto bids to conference champs. For the PSAC, in our little SR1 bubble, the impact is potentially one less playoff spot in some years.

[IUPNation]

D2 just eliminated EA and now will be giving auto bids to conference champs. For the PSAC, in our little SR1 bubble, the impact is potentially one less playoff spot in some years.

That’s fine. I have no problem with that. Every conference champion should be rewarded. Every conference deserves a seat at the table. I read in another thread this might lead to one last expansion of the field to 32 or 8 teams per region. For our Region the Pee Sack and the incoming CIAA play conference title games. That gives them leverage for two spots off the bat. The loser of a conference title game shouldn’t be punished but they get a lower seed in the playoff field. In fact I would support the top 4 seeds every year only go to the conference champions.

[IUP24]

The four team system was terrible. It left out conference champions. That was not right.

I hated the BCS and the 4 team system because it relied on the spreadsheets. I hate that. I hate it for D2. It is a terrible way to pick teams. Playoff teams should come from teams that made the goal. Get to Conference Chsmpionship weekend and you are playing for that title dnd a bye week. Losers goes to Week 1 campus week. It makes those regular season games matter!

The regular season is now a process to get to the second season. Every conference has a shot. A Mountain West team got a bye week..unthinkable in 4 team setup.

This was a great post season

You are relying on people sitting in a meeting room to pick 60% of the field. They never publish the "why" regarding the seedings or who made it over others. You hate that more than anyone as it pertains to the D2 selection process.

The 4th place team in the B1G and a team not part of a conference just played for the National title. I agree with the premise that the conference championship games matter should. We're aligned there. But based on your metrics of what you just said, neither of those teams should have been in the field.

Every conference does not have a shot. They take the 5 highest ranked conference champions. Every year that will be the B1G, SEC, ACC, and Big 12. They will allow one token G5 school into the party by way of being the highest ranked 5th conference champion. I would prefer an environment where every conference was represented. At surface level, you can say that every conference has a shot, but the CFP committee will never rank two G5 conference champs ahead of one of the P4 conference champs. So they don't all actually have a shot.

We just disagree with the format and the model. That's fine. You know my position. I don't think there's much more common ground we can find.

[IUPNation]

You are relying on people sitting in a meeting room to pick 60% of the field. They never publish the "why" regarding the seedings or who made it over others. You hate that more than anyone as it pertains to the D2 selection process.

The 4th place team in the B1G and a team not part of a conference just played for the National title. I agree with the premise that the conference championship games matter should. We're aligned there. But based on your metrics of what you just said, neither of those teams should have been in the field.

Every conference does not have a shot. They take the 5 highest ranked conference champions. Every year that will be the B1G, SEC, ACC, and Big 12. They will allow one token G5 school into the party by way of being the highest ranked 5th conference champion. I would prefer an environment where every conference was represented. At surface level, you can say that every conference has a shot, but the CFP committee will never rank two G5 conference champs ahead of one of the P4 conference champs. So they don't all actually have a shot.

We just disagree with the format and the model. That's fine. You know my position. I don't think there's much more common ground we can find.

The NCAA and G5 conferences need a come to Jesus moment and realize there needs to be three levels of competition at the D1 level.

The MAC, the American and the rest of the lower FBS conferences should get a middle level and have a title and that would allow those Dakotastan schools to move up and make the current FCS level the lowest level...it would make D1 foosball more enjoyable for everyone.

I don't think it was too hard to pick the field. They cut it off that three loss teams were not going to be included.

[Fightingscot82]

You are relying on people sitting in a meeting room to pick 60% of the field. They never publish the "why" regarding the seedings or who made it over others. You hate that more than anyone as it pertains to the D2 selection process.

The 4th place team in the B1G and a team not part of a conference just played for the National title. I agree with the premise that the conference championship games matter should. We're aligned there. But based on your metrics of what you just said, neither of those teams should have been in the field.

Every conference does not have a shot. They take the 5 highest ranked conference champions. Every year that will be the B1G, SEC, ACC, and Big 12. They will allow one token G5 school into the party by way of being the highest ranked 5th conference champion. I would prefer an environment where every conference was represented. At surface level, you can say that every conference has a shot, but the CFP committee will never rank two G5 conference champs ahead of one of the P4 conference champs. So they don't all actually have a shot.

We just disagree with the format and the model. That's fine. You know my position. I don't think there's much more common ground we can find.

I used to work for someone who was on the old College Football Playoff selection committee. He was a former all american for an FBS team. You would (or wouldn't) be surprised at his bias against the G5 (even though he played for what is a G5 school). You also would (or wouldn't) be surprised at his lack of understanding & knowledge on what separates the NCAA divisions (even though he was president multiple times of schools below FBS). And yet he had power to pick who made the playoffs.

I agree with you that the idea situation is to follow the FCS and D3 model that all conference champions get automatic bids, which comes to 11 teams. And then the presidents and conferences can fight about whether they do 12 teams or 16 teams. The selection committee can then figure out how to fill out the field and seed teams. But the ideal is every FBS conference has an opportunity to win the FBS championship, which is what it is. Hell, even FCS has included the Ivy League and Patriot League champions when they play without athletic scholarships. But they have an opportunity.

There will always be snoozer games. Probability says that P4 teams and Notre Dame will win against G5 teams most of the time. But that once a tournament upset makes it worth it. And a team that played in the national championship lost to a G5 school this season, so I think the G5 wins would happen more often than the P4 and Notre Dame are willing to admit.

[Ship69]

I used to work for someone who was on the old College Football Playoff selection committee. He was a former all american for an FBS team. You would (or wouldn't) be surprised at his bias against the G5 (even though he played for what is a G5 school). You also would (or wouldn't) be surprised at his lack of understanding & knowledge on what separates the NCAA divisions (even though he was president multiple times of schools below FBS). And yet he had power to pick who made the playoffs.

I agree with you that the idea situation is to follow the FCS and D3 model that all conference champions get automatic bids, which comes to 11 teams. And then the presidents and conferences can fight about whether they do 12 teams or 16 teams. The selection committee can then figure out how to fill out the field and seed teams. But the ideal is every FBS conference has an opportunity to win the FBS championship, which is what it is. Hell, even FCS has included the Ivy League and Patriot League champions when they play without athletic scholarships. But they have an opportunity.

There will always be snoozer games. Probability says that P4 teams and Notre Dame will win against G5 teams most of the time. But that once a tournament upset makes it worth it. And a team that played in the national championship lost to a G5 school this season, so I think the G5 wins would happen more often than the P4 and Notre Dame are willing to admit.

The problem is that vast amounts of money are involved when you get to P4 level of football. In basketball, you can let 60-some teams into the tournament so you can let a good many of the little guys in while the big dogs still eat. In football, where the nature of the game limits the number of teams, the big schools and the TV packagers just won't go for it.

[IUP24]

The NCAA and G5 conferences need a come to Jesus moment and realize there needs to be three levels of competition at the D1 level.

The MAC, the American and the rest of the lower FBS conferences should get a middle level and have a title and that would allow those Dakotastan schools to move up and make the current FCS level the lowest level...it would make D1 foosball more enjoyable for everyone.

I don't think it was too hard to pick the field. They cut it off that three loss teams were not going to be included.

I hear you, but people preferred a 3-loss Bama over an 11-1 Boise, Indiana or SMU. I'm not arguing with you that the field wasn't hard to pick (the 12 in the field were the 12 I would have picked), I'm merely explaining that you are suggesting that you want a format where there is not subjectivity. There is still going to be a ton of subjectivity.

What you desire isn't ever going to happen. What I desire isn't ever going to happen. We are discussing our fictional fantasies, and I acknowledge that.

We're left with more of the elite programs, not less. And we're left with that in a playoff format and a model that structurally allows the teams everyone were fatigued of to get all of the money and play in all of the high stakes games. Some people are okay with that simply because they can boast that "it was earned on the field." I'm not. We disagree there. That's okay.

To be clear, I COMPLETELY agree with your position on creating a 3rd tier of D1 football. I yearn for something like that as well. But there's no value in that for many of the stakeholders financially and it won't ever happen.

[TheBigCat2192]

The problem is that vast amounts of money are involved when you get to P4 level of football. In basketball, you can let 60-some teams into the tournament so you can let a good many of the little guys in while the big dogs still eat. In football, where the nature of the game limits the number of teams, the big schools and the TV packagers just won't go for it.

There’s obviously a money element in play here however I don’t think that’s the whole story. I think that the other element in playoff format dissatisfaction is that we still haven’t collectively decided if the goal is to pick the best teams or the most deserving teams to play for all the marbles. Even if there were no money or television contracts involved I’m not sure we could find a playoff solution that satisfies both of those perspectives.

[IUP24]

The problem is that vast amounts of money are involved when you get to P4 level of football. In basketball, you can let 60-some teams into the tournament so you can let a good many of the little guys in while the big dogs still eat. In football, where the nature of the game limits the number of teams, the big schools and the TV packagers just won't go for it.

I think the fundamental difference between the two sports and their tournament structure is this....

1) There's traditionally one, maybe two, massive upsets in the NCAA Tournament every year. A ton of those games between the higher seeds and the little guys are often not all that competitive. But people don't care because there are 10 other games on in the exact same time slot that they can flip back and forth between. The football argument of why the B1G and SEC should get all the spots and why the others should never really have a fair shake was clearly seen this year. Every game had its own window. So as an example, when SMU was clearly overmatched by Penn State, EVERYBODY was watching and there was no alternative. There was an immediate indictment on SMU and the ACC, and blasphemy that committee had the gal to ever think this team should have made the field over Alabama. If there were 6 other games on at that same time, the reaction would not have been as visceral - and people mostly wouldn't have cared. That exists for all of the non-competitive early games.

2) The story of the little guy in basketball exists in March in the NCAA Tournament. The story of the little guy in football exists in September, October, and November. It's fundamentally different - and always has been. The little guy has no story in football anymore, because the current model eliminates them from the plot of the movie. The monumental upset can happen, but it no longer is part of the story because the team on the losing end probably still makes the playoff and can still win the national championship. The little guy gets their chance in March. They mostly eliminated the little guy altogether in football.

[IUP24]

There’s obviously a money element in play here however I don’t think that’s the whole story. I think that the other element in playoff format dissatisfaction is that we still haven’t collectively decided if the goal is to pick the best teams or the most deserving teams to play for all the marbles. Even if there were no money or television contracts involved I’m not sure we could find a playoff solution that satisfies both of those perspectives.

Agree with this completely. The BCS and 4-team systems were not perfect. I liked them better than the 12-team model for a variety of reasons, however.

[IUPbigINDIANS]

IMG HC resigned.

Rumor is he's off to Chapel Hill to coach under Bill and his gold digging hoochie.

That dude should be extremely juiced in to the recruiting scene (and 'acquiring' talent).

[IUP24]

IMG HC resigned.

Rumor is he's off to Chapel Hill to coach under Bill and his gold digging hoochie.

That dude should be extremely juiced in to the recruiting scene (and 'acquiring' talent).

The rumor I’m hearing is that Bill has not yet actually signed his contract with UNC. They have agreed to a verbal deal in principle and he’s doing everything, but he has not yet signed on the dotted line.

That was the report within the last 2 weeks.

[Fightingscot82]

The rumor I’m hearing is that Bill has not yet actually signed his contract with UNC. They have agreed to a verbal deal in principle and he’s doing everything, but he has not yet signed on the dotted line.

That was the report within the last 2 weeks.

Something I saw online was that there are some fringe benefits and bonus structures that he requested and were verbally approved but there's some sort of hiccup with those.