PASSHE Institutions Merging

[IUPNation]

They have always had a parking problem. The on-street parking was policed by the borough police who wrote a lot of tickets there and it became a problem.

I always wanted to stop in Mabel's but never did.

Oh...u have to next time you roll through The WC. Call your order in way ahead...Mabel takes a while to get orders done but it's worth the wait.

They have a ton of parking along Matlack Street...sure it's a walk to most of campus but it's two large surface lots plus a parking garage. That will mean when this one is done West Chester will have THREE parking garages.

[boatcapt]

Funny, when there is a Republican governor HE is the problem and reason that the PASSHE in such trouble but when there is a Democrat gov, he escapes ALL blame for the accelerating slip of the PASSHE.

[Fightingscot82]

Both parties to blame. The PA General Assembly is majority GOP - a lot of which regurgitate the "why are my tax dollars subsidizing the education of other peoples kids - especially those black kids from Philly" and the "colleges are just liberal indoctrination centers" cliches. Its full of people who get bored on the local school board then win a seat in Harrisburg. They hit all the firehall bingos and Boy Scout pancake breakfasts to get elected but do little of substance other than oppose whatever a Democrat puts forward or be the local syndicate of the national talking points. Its why Doug Mastriano make such a fuss about the election. His constituents didn't come to him with witnessed inconsistencies or concerns - he just passed along the crap he watched on TV.

Democrats are also to blame because while holding the Governorship for most of the last few decades they haven't prioritized PASSHE in budget or policy. In fact, the last several Democrat governors have made it a point to prioritize K-12 education at rates higher than PASSHE. Any creative program idea has some sort of gimmicky funding plan - like shifting horse racetrack revenue.

The case for support is terrible in PA. Even those who should know don't understand the relationship between an educated population and economic prosperity and/or state revenue. The state financial aid agency, PHEAA, actually gives you more money for attending private schools than the state owned or state funded schools. WTF is that about?! Also, the average cost per state prison inmate is almost double the total cost of attendance at a PASSHE school. But we don't question their costs the way we talk about tuition & debt. The state spends more money annually for the SCI in Cambridge Springs - a minimum security women's facility with around 1,000 inmates - than it gives to Edinboro and their 4,500 students 7 miles away.

[iupgroundhog]

Funny, when there is a Republican governor HE is the problem and reason that the PASSHE in such trouble but when there is a Democrat gov, he escapes ALL blame for the accelerating slip of the PASSHE.

The difference is in the money allocated in the budget. It's real simple.

[complaint_hopeful]

There was an Education Hearing of some type with I believe a House Committee today, and the Chancellor said that state funding would have to increase by $330 million for PASSHE to get their pricing in line with the average of the 5 closest states.

From one of questions asked, it sounds like a lot in the Gov think PASSHE is just some jobs program that over hires and over pays employees. Maybe that was the case 10 years ago, but most schools that I'm aware of have been cut to the bone. Basically to the level they can barely function.

[IUPNation]

Funny, when there is a Republican governor HE is the problem and reason that the PASSHE in such trouble but when there is a Democrat gov, he escapes ALL blame for the accelerating slip of the PASSHE.

[boatcapt]

You got it.

That certainly is the tactic of the left. Repeat lies over and over and over until they become truth.

Every record has to be falsified or destroyed, every book rewritten, every picture has to be repainted, every statue and street has to be renamed, every date has to be altered. And the process is continuing day by day, minute by minute. History is changed to meet the present needs of the liberal. No dissension is tolerated. The truth is not the truth unless it is reviewed and approved by the liberal inteligensia.

[EastStroud13]

Both Republicans and Democrats are willing to lie to stay in power. It's what they do. Republicans just tend to be more brazen about the alternate reality they choose to live in.

The argument about history being rewritten is a complete strawman. People are simply choosing to no longer glorify Confederate traitors and murderers of indigenous peoples with street names and statues. The history remains the same, and in fact it is the very acknowledgement of this history that is informing the vast majority of these cases.

[IUPNation]

That certainly is the tactic of the left. Repeat lies over and over and over until they become truth.

Every record has to be falsified or destroyed, every book rewritten, every picture has to be repainted, every statue and street has to be renamed, every date has to be altered. And the process is continuing day by day, minute by minute. History is changed to meet the present needs of the liberal. No dissension is tolerated. The truth is not the truth unless it is reviewed and approved by the liberal inteligensia.

[Ship69]

Funny, when there is a Republican governor HE is the problem and reason that the PASSHE in such trouble but when there is a Democrat gov, he escapes ALL blame for the accelerating slip of the PASSHE.

[IUPNation]

Why are we subsidizing horse racing?

[complaint_hopeful]

Why are we subsidizing horse racing?

Obviously because horses can't work jobs to support themselves.

[complaint_hopeful]

In general, I always love seeing arguments about why things are messed up and people blaming the other party.

It's both. And the whole party system is the problem. A lot of people mindlessly follow whatever their party is about. In reality, it isn't that cut and dry for humans. Our preferences are over a spectrum and I'm sure that most of us don't have views 100% aligned with a party.

As for why PASSHE's funding is bad. Well, it's been cut or stayed the same for like 20 years. That covers both parties. It's not like 1 got in there, drastically raised it and the other cut it. And then, both sides are like 'Hey - Why can't you make it? Your expenses must be way too high! Cut!'

And then it becomes political where one will come in and advocate for more spending, without actually giving much more money. They do that to get voters.

ie They'd rather talk about the problem and pick sides than FIX the issue!

[iupgroundhog]

In general, I always love seeing arguments about why things are messed up and people blaming the other party.

It's both. And the whole party system is the problem. A lot of people mindlessly follow whatever their party is about. In reality, it isn't that cut and dry for humans. Our preferences are over a spectrum and I'm sure that most of us don't have views 100% aligned with a party.

As for why PASSHE's funding is bad. Well, it's been cut or stayed the same for like 20 years. That covers both parties. It's not like 1 got in there, drastically raised it and the other cut it. And then, both sides are like 'Hey - Why can't you make it? Your expenses must be way too high! Cut!'

And then it becomes political where one will come in and advocate for more spending, without actually giving much more money. They do that to get voters.

ie They'd rather talk about the problem and pick sides than FIX the issue!

It's not both. What is that ? An attempt to make everybody happy. It's by definition. On the state level, PA Democrats support public education to the extent that they can. It's just something they do. Meanwhile, there is not much support among Republicans when it comes to funding public education. Some Republicans in PA want to do away with public education altogether.

These are the positions the two parties take in PA when it comes to funding public education. If you are a Republican, face up to the values of your party. Don't try to say things that they are not. If you don't agree with it, leave the party.

[Fightingscot82]

It's not both. What is that ? An attempt to make everybody happy. It's by definition. On the state level, PA Democrats support public education to the extent that they can. It's just something they do. Meanwhile, there is not much support among Republicans when it comes to funding public education. Some Republicans in PA want to do away with public education altogether.

These are the positions the two parties take in PA when it comes to funding public education. If you are a Republican, face up to the values of your party. Don't try to say things that they are not. If you don't agree with it, leave the party.

I agree with both of you to an extent.

The PA GOP doesn't like to fund things and spends more time obstructing the PA Dems and parroting national GOP talking points than they do legislating. If they do its copy & paste from the Commonwealth Foundation. The PA Dems seem to just try to increase funding. If they do come up with anything novel the funding source is too novel for anyone to take seriously: a new tax, shifting funds from a previously restricted fund, etc.

Most states have their lottery revenue fund public education, so there's a leg up in funding source. But most states also don't have the legacy state infrastructure that PA has: 121 state parks (with virtually no significant revenue streams like other states), state hospitals, etc.