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  • Originally posted by Ship69 View Post

    As someone who worked in print journalism for 30 years, I can tell you it has always been about money to an extent because those of us who worked in it actually liked to eat and support our families. But hey, I'm sure there are plenty of other businesses out there willing to give people their product for free.
    Thanks. You know, I've thought about this. I thought maybe I am not seeing it in the proper light. I even wondered what Ship69 thought about it, being a newspaper veteran of 3 decades.

    But I think what I think. I always read a lot of newspapers throughout my life. Print journalism, in a sense, was virtually free.back in the day. You could pick up a newspaper and read it anywhere. Didn't matter if you had little or no money. The newspaper might get passed around to 20 readers throughout its lifecycle. I understand that it was supported by advertising. Or, if you wanted to buy the paper, it was a nominal charge. And it was organized and edited and there was a responsibility to the readers. It served a purpose broader than just making money. So, now they want you to get out your credit card and "subscribe" just to read a couple of paragraphs. Actually, sharing the content is deemed bad. In this example, I am the party violating the rules. Really? I have trouble adjusting to that. It's a different dynamic and I'm not that fond of it.
    Last edited by iupgroundhog; 09-03-2024, 10:59 PM.

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    • Originally posted by iupgroundhog View Post

      Thanks. You know, I've thought about this. I thought maybe I am not seeing it in the proper light. I even wondered what Ship69 thought about it, being a newspaper veteran of 3 decades.

      But I think what I think. I always read a lot of newspapers throughout my life. Print journalism, in a sense, was virtually free.back in the day. You could pick up a newspaper and read it anywhere. Didn't matter if you had little or no money. The newspaper might get passed around to 20 readers throughout its lifecycle. I understand that it was supported by advertising. Or, if you wanted to buy the paper, it was a nominal charge. And it was organized and edited and there was a responsibility to the readers. It served a purpose broader than just making money. So, now they want you to get out your credit card and "subscribe" just to read a couple of paragraphs. Actually, sharing the content is deemed bad. In this example, I am the party violating the rules. Really? I have trouble adjusting to that. It's a different dynamic and I'm not that fond of it.

      Part of it is ... just different times. I don't know what mid-size, small or large newspapers used to generate selling physical copies but that's mostly gone now. I'd assume it was enough to help offset some costs. Next time you are in an airport, bus stations, whatever, observe how many people under 50 are reading a newspaper - in their hands or on their screens. It's an incredibly low number.

      Newspaper owners were historically also extreme cheapskates when it came to paying their employees.

      I've read the Indiana Gazette most of my life. I'd actually feel guilty cancelling it, although I've thought of it often. I keep it solely to read Matt and Tony (and I wish I could read them more often hint hint). But, the actual 'news' is already a day old. I despise how the Gazette holds the Saturday IUP game stories until the Monday edition. I actually use WCCS for the 'news' in Indiana. It's free, for one. Their site also updates much faster and more frequently. You don't get 'stories' but you get the gist. My annoyance with them is they don't play full interviews. It's little snippets. I mean, I want to hear the full Tort interview of him talking about runnin' backs, etc. Joe and Tort don't have press conferences. This is like the only time we get to hear them talk. Tort does still have a show. Perhaps they 'clip' him so people still tune in for the show. Joe's show ended several years ago. Both are very good interviews in their own way.

      Point is they don't sell physical copies. Readership and clicks are WAY down so advertisers won't pay anywhere near what they used to. So, the 'paywall' is a last ditch effort.

      Enjoy them while they are still here. I'd guess in 10 years our main source of 'news' will be Yahoo, podcasts and Twitter. God help us all.

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      • Originally posted by IUPbigINDIANS View Post


        Part of it is ... just different times. I don't know what mid-size, small or large newspapers used to generate selling physical copies but that's mostly gone now. I'd assume it was enough to help offset some costs. Next time you are in an airport, bus stations, whatever, observe how many people under 50 are reading a newspaper - in their hands or on their screens. It's an incredibly low number.

        Newspaper owners were historically also extreme cheapskates when it came to paying their employees.

        I've read the Indiana Gazette most of my life. I'd actually feel guilty cancelling it, although I've thought of it often. I keep it solely to read Matt and Tony (and I wish I could read them more often hint hint). But, the actual 'news' is already a day old. I despise how the Gazette holds the Saturday IUP game stories until the Monday edition. I actually use WCCS for the 'news' in Indiana. It's free, for one. Their site also updates much faster and more frequently. You don't get 'stories' but you get the gist. My annoyance with them is they don't play full interviews. It's little snippets. I mean, I want to hear the full Tort interview of him talking about runnin' backs, etc. Joe and Tort don't have press conferences. This is like the only time we get to hear them talk. Tort does still have a show. Perhaps they 'clip' him so people still tune in for the show. Joe's show ended several years ago. Both are very good interviews in their own way.

        Point is they don't sell physical copies. Readership and clicks are WAY down so advertisers won't pay anywhere near what they used to. So, the 'paywall' is a last ditch effort.

        Enjoy them while they are still here. I'd guess in 10 years our main source of 'news' will be Yahoo, podcasts and Twitter. God help us all.
        The real death knell for most newspapers came when online sites started grabbing off the classified advertising that had become the last bastion of most papers' advertising revenue. We had already lost the traditional department stores that were some of the best newspaper clients, and grocery, auto, real estate and other revenue sources also went online and dried up. At one of the papers where I worked, I edited a weekly real estate and home improvement section that was more than 30 pages some weeks. We actually won an award for it within our company and earned a trip to an awards banquet in Naples, Fla. By the time the paper largely dispensed with it, I think it was down to about five pages. Most of the local papers didn't have a big enough brand to survive this. The Sunday paper that we used to sell for $1.50 (and hear complaints about what it cost) actually would have cost over $4 without the advertising. Once that revenue dried up, that was it.

        At our opening high school football game, I had a chance to chat briefly with the coach of our unbeaten team from 50 years ago, which I had covered as a sports reporter. It might very welll be the school's last unbeaten team as they'd have to win a state championship to do that now. He made a point of thanking me for all the write-ups we'd done about the team. I told him that we enjoyed doing it, but that today's players weren't going to get that type of local attention. Our small paper back then had one full-time sports guy and me spending anywhere from half to three-quarters of my time on sports. I also covered the school board and education news, borough and township meetings as needed, and general news such as people profiles, police, etc. For much of my time at the paper, we actually printed complete box scores of Little League games and kept standings. We had a thriving local slow-pitch softball league and if the guys in the league would submit summaries of their games, we'd write that up. We made a point of covering the girls' sports at the high school on an equal basis long before most outlets did. I'll never forget after a game our field hockey coach complained about a lack of a writeup for one game and the opposing coach, standing next to her, said, "You actually COVER field hockey?"

        During a typical winter sports season I'd be out Tuesday, Thursday, Friday, and Saturday evenings covering basketball and wrestling. In the daytime, I might be covering afternoon gymnastics meets or something similar. I did that in addition to the school board meetings and other stuff. During the summer, when the other sports guy was on vacation, I'd come in at about 3 a.m. so I could get all the local stuff written up by about 8 a.m. Then I read what was on the AP wire and selected stories for the national report. Deadline was about 10 a.m. I started and for several years with the help of other area writers choose an All-Star wrestling team for a two-county area in Pa., plus the Maryland and West Virginia schools that were members of our athletic league at the time. I did the same for basketball, printing the names of the players in the paper, getting photos taken, and sending certificates fo the team members. One year we had a guy from the community come in to try and help us put out some local stuff in the morning. It drive him nuts and he lasted about two weeks. "I don't know how you guys do this every day," he said. We actually worked a five-and-a-half day week at the paper as we came in Saturday mornings to put out the Saturday paper. There were times when I'd cover a basketball game Friday night, hit the local watering hole for a few drinks, and then come in at 7 a.m. Saturday to write up the game. (I was a lot younger then.)

        I don't think this was particularly unusual at the time. Other guys I knew at some of the area's small-town newspapers did similar things. We weren't getting paid a fortune to do it, but we were generally invested in our communities and wanted to do the best for them. Human nature being what it is, I think a lot of people took what we did for granted. Now that most of it is gone, there has been a belated realization of what is missing. The newspapers you're seeing right now are shadows of what they used to be. Where they once had 9-10 people in the newsroom, they might have two. The ones I used to work for in my area are not printed on-site, and they're not even edited in the same county where they're produced. Don't be too hard on the few people who are writing for the papers now as they are trying to do the best they can in severely diminished circumstances.

        You are right. Enjoy what little is left while it is still here.

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        • Just turned on the Bloom game. Damn those uniforms are ugly. I hope they don't wear them too often. What's on the helmet? I can't make it out.
          GO HUSKIES!

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          • Originally posted by CC_BU View Post
            Just turned on the Bloom game. Damn those uniforms are ugly. I hope they don't wear them too often. What's on the helmet? I can't make it out.
            Who cares as long as we win. 7-0 Bloom

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            • I just heard the commentator say they will wear the black uniforms once more this season. He did not say when.
              GO HUSKIES!

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              • Originally posted by Bart View Post

                Who cares as long as we win. 7-0 Bloom
                I suppose
                GO HUSKIES!

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                • Are you at the game Bart?
                  GO HUSKIES!

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                  • Originally posted by CC_BU View Post
                    Are you at the game Bart?
                    I was planning, but got sick today.

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                    • 14-0 Bloom
                      GO HUSKIES!

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                      • 6:48 left in the half
                        GO HUSKIES!

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                        • 14-7
                          GO HUSKIES!

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                          • 21-7 Bloom
                            GO HUSKIES!

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                            • Sweet TD pass right before the half. Really nice.

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                              • Originally posted by CC_BU View Post
                                21-7 Bloom
                                Helmets with Husky eyes.

                                https://x.com/BloomUFootball/status/1831468965979418632

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