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[IUPbigINDIANS]

Other than some kind of non-basketball related incident, it's hard to believe they could lose him at this point.

I guess we'll know for sure when Joe allows them to post the roster at about 4:30 p.m. opening night.

[Ship69]

Can't speak for the actual poster above but I can say for sure Garvin was here as of July. So, if something happened, it had to have just happened.

I'm not the 'most' connected person but I'm pretty connected. I haven't heard a single thing.

Other than some kind of non-basketball related incident, it's hard to believe they could lose him at this point.

[IUPbigINDIANS]

Don’t leave us hanging. Those of us with no inside sources want to know what’s up.

Can't speak for the actual poster above but I can say for sure Garvin was here as of July. So, if something happened, it had to have just happened.

I'm not the 'most' connected person but I'm pretty connected. I haven't heard a single thing.

[Chuck Norris]

Have I missed something - what's happened to Garvin Clarke. Is he still with the programme?

Don’t leave us hanging. Those of us with no inside sources want to know what’s up.

[IUPalum]

Have I missed something - what's happened to Garvin Clarke. Is he still with the programme?

If you got info, spit it out!

[IUPbigINDIANS]

Have I missed something - what's happened to Garvin Clarke. Is he still with the programme?

He was as of June. Jesus what now?

[Cobra Hawks]

Have I missed something - what's happened to Garvin Clarke. Is he still with the programme?

[IUPbigINDIANS]

Agree with all of that. I don't begrudge anyone for doing it. I just don't necessarily know that there is financial benefit from it for a lot of them, compared to just using their degree and starting their career. That's just me though. If you do it for a year or two, I think that's probably low risk in the long run. If you hang on, that could be a bad decision.

But again, to each their own.

Each case is different. If the player is from a family with money to help support him ... that's a whole different story than the player making $26k a year in Mongolia on his own.

I think it's largely a status thing for most. I'd assume most D2 guys over there know the Chicago Bulls aren't calling.

As mentioned, if you can get up to the upper levels the money is pretty decent.

That said, the vast majority we see go over to play are only there a year or two (if that).

[IUP24]

I think part of it is kids’ minds are still functioning more like a college athlete than someone who’s been a working professional or “real” adult. There’s probably still a dream there that they’ll get noticed combined with being able to say “I played pro ball” and not being quite ready to move on. Most of these guys will have been playing for between 15-20 years and it has been a big part of their lives and it’s just hard to shut it off if there are still opportunities. As you point out though, there might be a price to be paid down the line.

Some might also have the luxury of not having to “adult” right away. If that’s the case, cool. I know I was sweating bullets when I graduated knowing student loans would be coming due and I needed to get a big boy job fast. That’s not the case for a lot of these high level players that were on scholarship. As far as that goes, have fun for as long as you can, although I’m not sure playing in Ukraine would be a whole lot of fun these days.

Agree with all of that. I don't begrudge anyone for doing it. I just don't necessarily know that there is financial benefit from it for a lot of them, compared to just using their degree and starting their career. That's just me though. If you do it for a year or two, I think that's probably low risk in the long run. If you hang on, that could be a bad decision.

But again, to each their own.

[IUP24]

Did you make 70-80k in your first job out of college? That’s a lot of money in professional basketball for rookies with the exception of NBA/fringe NBA guys.

Personally, I wouldn’t want to be playing for 25k when I’m 30 years old, but doing so for a couple years after college isn’t going to cripple you financially. You start your working career at 25 instead of 23. At least that’s how I look at it.

I didn't make quite that much. But I think what I was making in my first year out of college was probably far more than what guys in these down the line leagues are making.

Like I said.. To each their own. I just would like to have a clearer understanding of what the salaries are in some of these places. As you said, you aren't going to get crippled financially if you quit when you realize it's over. I know somebody who couldn't give up the dream. He would have been far better joining the workforce at 23.

[IUPHawks24]

I am perhaps in a different camp than everyone else. If you are in a league where you are making 100k+, then that's pretty darn good. I would even say, 70-80k too. That is probably worth doing. But I also wonder what the actual salary of some of these down the line leagues are. Totally recognizing that there are some deals where you can get meal stipends, or some living expenses covered. I also wonder what the dollar figure is for a lot of these guys to just sit there and say, "this isn't worth it."

I've made a similar post here before when this topic has popped up and most have vehemently disagreed with me. That's okay. I get your athletic career is limited and the opportunities to get paid to play a sport are here and gone in a flash. All that said, if you are making less playing overseas than you are starting your career in your profession, is that really worth it? To me, saying you get to live in Croatia for 10 months isn't. But that's my personal decision. I'm just curious at what some of these lower tier leagues are actually paying. But that's certainly not to disparage anyone playing in those leagues.

I went to high school with somebody who ended up playing hockey professionally in the Southern Professional Hockey League. That's a pro hockey league that is the 4th tier of pro hockey in North America (NHL, AHL, ECHL), but is unaffiliated (unlike the AHL and ECHL). You are simply playing because you are holding out hope that your dream is going to eventually be fulfilled. The decision to do that set him back financially. A lot.

Did you make 70-80k in your first job out of college? That’s a lot of money in professional basketball for rookies with the exception of NBA/fringe NBA guys.

Personally, I wouldn’t want to be playing for 25k when I’m 30 years old, but doing so for a couple years after college isn’t going to cripple you financially. You start your working career at 25 instead of 23. At least that’s how I look at it.

[EyeoftheHawk]

I am perhaps in a different camp than everyone else. If you are in a league where you are making 100k+, then that's pretty darn good. I would even say, 70-80k too. That is probably worth doing. But I also wonder what the actual salary of some of these down the line leagues are. Totally recognizing that there are some deals where you can get meal stipends, or some living expenses covered. I also wonder what the dollar figure is for a lot of these guys to just sit there and say, "this isn't worth it."

I've made a similar post here before when this topic has popped up and most have vehemently disagreed with me. That's okay. I get your athletic career is limited and the opportunities to get paid to play a sport are here and gone in a flash. All that said, if you are making less playing overseas than you are starting your career in your profession, is that really worth it? To me, saying you get to live in Croatia for 10 months isn't. But that's my personal decision. I'm just curious at what some of these lower tier leagues are actually paying. But that's certainly not to disparage anyone playing in those leagues.

I went to high school with somebody who ended up playing hockey professionally in the Southern Professional Hockey League. That's a pro hockey league that is the 4th tier of pro hockey in North America (NHL, AHL, ECHL), but is unaffiliated (unlike the AHL and ECHL). You are simply playing because you are holding out hope that your dream is going to eventually be fulfilled. The decision to do that set him back financially. A lot.

I think part of it is kids’ minds are still functioning more like a college athlete than someone who’s been a working professional or “real” adult. There’s probably still a dream there that they’ll get noticed combined with being able to say “I played pro ball” and not being quite ready to move on. Most of these guys will have been playing for between 15-20 years and it has been a big part of their lives and it’s just hard to shut it off if there are still opportunities. As you point out though, there might be a price to be paid down the line.

Some might also have the luxury of not having to “adult” right away. If that’s the case, cool. I know I was sweating bullets when I graduated knowing student loans would be coming due and I needed to get a big boy job fast. That’s not the case for a lot of these high level players that were on scholarship. As far as that goes, have fun for as long as you can, although I’m not sure playing in Ukraine would be a whole lot of fun these days.

[IUP24]

I am perhaps in a different camp than everyone else. If you are in a league where you are making 100k+, then that's pretty darn good. I would even say, 70-80k too. That is probably worth doing. But I also wonder what the actual salary of some of these down the line leagues are. Totally recognizing that there are some deals where you can get meal stipends, or some living expenses covered. I also wonder what the dollar figure is for a lot of these guys to just sit there and say, "this isn't worth it."

I've made a similar post here before when this topic has popped up and most have vehemently disagreed with me. That's okay. I get your athletic career is limited and the opportunities to get paid to play a sport are here and gone in a flash. All that said, if you are making less playing overseas than you are starting your career in your profession, is that really worth it? To me, saying you get to live in Croatia for 10 months isn't. But that's my personal decision. I'm just curious at what some of these lower tier leagues are actually paying. But that's certainly not to disparage anyone playing in those leagues.

I went to high school with somebody who ended up playing hockey professionally in the Southern Professional Hockey League. That's a pro hockey league that is the 4th tier of pro hockey in North America (NHL, AHL, ECHL), but is unaffiliated (unlike the AHL and ECHL). You are simply playing because you are holding out hope that your dream is going to eventually be fulfilled. The decision to do that set him back financially. A lot.

[hawks16]

And probably should note for Marcel and Cobo, they're just playing at "home."

[IUPbigINDIANS]

I think this is probably the greatest value. I’d be surprised if even 1% ever moved through these leagues and eventually into the NBA, but what a neat experience that you could put on a resume and talk about in a job interview.

The Chris Fite path is a pretty good route. He essentially played a full career overseas and then came back to the States and got in to coaching.

Cobo has had a good career and is probably making a decent living. It's not even a sniff of NBA money, obviously, as bench guys in the NBA make millions.

Sleva has also had a very good career overseas and actually got a run with Golden State's Summer League team last year.

It doesn't seem like those guys have been gone so long now but they have.

Our 'bigs' have a much better chance of catching on in the higher leagues.