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"If they can’t run the ball on those two defenses, it’s going to be a long fall."
Their size might help bring IUP some rushing success against Ship, but the Raiders' front seven actually isn't too bad. What is likely to be a lot bigger problem for the Raiders is IUP's talented receivers going up against an exploitable Ship secondary along with Ship's own inability to run the football.
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Originally posted by Ship69 View Post"If they can’t run the ball on those two defenses, it’s going to be a long fall."
Their size might help bring IUP some rushing success against Ship, but the Raiders' front seven actually isn't too bad. What is likely to be a lot bigger problem for the Raiders is IUP's talented receivers going up against an exploitable Ship secondary along with Ship's own inability to run the football.
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Originally posted by EyeoftheHawk View Post
Good to know. If that’s true, I give Ship more than a puncher’s chance on Saturday. We haven’t talked much about it, but IUP’s defense is really good though and that might be difficult to overcome. If I’m Ship, I’m looking for a similar game to the formula that worked for ESU where they find a way to stay in it for four quarters and take their chances in the end.
If Ship's front is solid they can absolutely hang around. I'd bring heat all day. It will backfire some but I'd bring it all four quarters. IUP's OL looked lost and confused against ESU.
That said, I think even on a bad day IUP will score 24 points this Saturday. We'll see if the Raiders can get in the 20s. I have my doubts.
Then again, I sat through the Edinboro game in 2021 and the end of last Saturday so I'm done taking anything for granted.
I kind of have a hunch ESU woke up the sleeping dog. We'll find out soon enough.
I will add this: Tort better pray for a fast start. Worst thing possible coming off Timeout/Titanic would be a slow start and the sulking starting.
I do wonder if we'll see some new faces on the OL. May be time to shake some shiz up.
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Originally posted by IUPbigINDIANS View Post
I'd absolutely be chomping at the bit if I was coaching Shippensburg. IUP has a documented history of disaster in hangover-type games.
If Ship's front is solid they can absolutely hang around. I'd bring heat all day. It will backfire some but I'd bring it all four quarters. IUP's OL looked lost and confused against ESU.
That said, I think even on a bad day IUP will score 24 points this Saturday. We'll see if the Raiders can get in the 20s. I have my doubts.
Then again, I sat through the Edinboro game in 2021 and the end of last Saturday so I'm done taking anything for granted.
I kind of have a hunch ESU woke up the sleeping dog. We'll find out soon enough.
I will add this: Tort better pray for a fast start. Worst thing possible coming off Timeout/Titanic would be a slow start and the sulking starting.
I do wonder if we'll see some new faces on the OL. May be time to shake some shiz up.
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Originally posted by Ram040506 View Post
I think its a little bit of both. You played 5 good opponents in that stretch, and your offense is pretty vanilla. Most of the time, you are significantly better than the opponent and it doesn't matter. In these tougher match ups, you can be neutralized. But that is what happens in those types of games.
Teams don't usually hit their season averages in bigger games, that's just football.
You're talkin' ball. To go further inside the game, if you'd really study IUP's offense, it is extremely redundant (and, vanilla). It's biggest weakness, my opinion, is it's extremely predictable. If you look at their play charts under Larry Wilson (OC), you will quickly identify very consistent patterns (there isn't much guessing by the defense - put it that way). Their running game, in particular, is about as creative as white paint. Their collection of speed backs are used as if they are built like Jerome Bettis. They are constantly run up the middle and quickly swallowed. Last year this often worked because their OL was so strong. This year, however, the OL looks lost, confused, a step slow, and, at times, overpowered. For the size, experience and pedigree of this unit, this is extremely alarming.
Now, teams still have to stop all their talented skill players. That's hard to do, especially in the passing game. The caveat has been Karst has been under heavy fire all season. Through two games (sacked 9 times), it's clear he's not the 'gunslinger' Sexton was -- he tends to hold the ball perhaps a second too long where Sexton had a rocket arm and would make some crazy throws/completions. Sexton also had tremendously better protection.
I don't recall (correct me if I'm wrong) that Sexton actually took a real hit until almost November last year. Sure, he was probably knocked down, but an actual hit ... I don't remember it. Karst has been hit more in two games than Sexton was all season.
What makes Karst so dangerous is his ability to run. However, his best run of the year was a broken play on 3rd-and-17 against Ashland. I was shocked they didn't run him more against ESU. They certainly had opportunities (rollout at end of game I think he walks in to end zone). That said, I don't think they are overly confident (yet) in the players behind him so they may have to be more hesitant.
Big picture, IUP has opened with two of the better teams in the region. We have to keep that in mind. Tough task (tougher than many thought) with many new OL starters and a new QB. Easier days are coming. Looking back, this team would have benefited greatly from a tune-up game.
Ashland is 0-2 but lost a nail-biter at IUP and hung all day with Ferris State. They are a good. ESU is probably a Top 1 or 2 defense in SR1.
Tort has the talent. He needs to tighten some things up. IUP is going to be hard to score on all year. They aren't going to need to score 30+ to win games. But, they certainly have some weaknesses right now on film that every opponent is going to try and exploit. If/when IUP figures out how to run the ball, they will be hard to beat. Big 'if' of course.
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Originally posted by IUPbigINDIANS View Post
You're talkin' ball. To go further inside the game, if you'd really study IUP's offense, it is extremely redundant (and, vanilla). It's biggest weakness, my opinion, is it's extremely predictable. If you look at their play charts under Larry Wilson (OC), you will quickly identify very consistent patterns (there isn't much guessing by the defense - put it that way). Their running game, in particular, is about as creative as white paint. Their collection of speed backs are used as if they are built like Jerome Bettis. They are constantly run up the middle and quickly swallowed. Last year this often worked because their OL was so strong. This year, however, the OL looks lost, confused, a step slow, and, at times, overpowered. For the size, experience and pedigree of this unit, this is extremely alarming.
Now, teams still have to stop all their talented skill players. That's hard to do, especially in the passing game. The caveat has been Karst has been under heavy fire all season. Through two games (sacked 9 times), it's clear he's not the 'gunslinger' Sexton was -- he tends to hold the ball perhaps a second too long where Sexton had a rocket arm and would make some crazy throws/completions. Sexton also had tremendously better protection.
I don't recall (correct me if I'm wrong) that Sexton actually took a real hit until almost November last year. Sure, he was probably knocked down, but an actual hit ... I don't remember it. Karst has been hit more in two games than Sexton was all season.
What makes Karst so dangerous is his ability to run. However, his best run of the year was a broken play on 3rd-and-17 against Ashland. I was shocked they didn't run him more against ESU. They certainly had opportunities (rollout at end of game I think he walks in to end zone). That said, I don't think they are overly confident (yet) in the players behind him so they may have to be more hesitant.
Big picture, IUP has opened with two of the better teams in the region. We have to keep that in mind. Tough task (tougher than many thought) with many new OL starters and a new QB. Easier days are coming. Looking back, this team would have benefited greatly from a tune-up game.
Ashland is 0-2 but lost a nail-biter at IUP and hung all day with Ferris State. They are a good. ESU is probably a Top 1 or 2 defense in SR1.
Tort has the talent. He needs to tighten some things up. IUP is going to be hard to score on all year. They aren't going to need to score 30+ to win games. But, they certainly have some weaknesses right now on film that every opponent is going to try and exploit. If/when IUP figures out how to run the ball, they will be hard to beat. Big 'if' of course.
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The IUP schedule sets up nicely for them to regroup and work out a few kinks before being challenged again. Ship might not win 3 games this year, and Mercyhurst isn't very good either.
Captain obvious here, but the Rock game is probably a season maker/breaker. If they lose, I think they mentally fold and miss the playoffs. If they win, I think that will catapult them to all their goals that they had at the beginning of the season and get back to being the regional favorite for SR1. Really think it's as simple as that.
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Originally posted by Ram040506 View PostThe IUP schedule sets up nicely for them to regroup and work out a few kinks before being challenged again. Ship might not win 3 games this year, and Mercyhurst isn't very good either.
Captain obvious here, but the Rock game is probably a season maker/breaker. If they lose, I think they mentally fold and miss the playoffs. If they win, I think that will catapult them to all their goals that they had at the beginning of the season and get back to being the regional favorite for SR1. Really think it's as simple as that.
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Apparently there was an "investigation" after the game Saturday that extended into the week. The head official was in contact with some of the participants, trying to get their perspectives on what happened. I suppose IUP needed some sort of explanation as to why they lost a game when they didn't score more points than the opponent...
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Originally posted by iupgroundhog View Post
I agree. I think they need to get back to the one-game-at-a-time mentality they had last year, though.
That wasn't just simply 'one loss' as Tort has been saying. That loss (the 'how') has the potential to be a season-wrecker. We're going to see what mentality this program has tomorrow. Let's hope it was the wake-up call the entire program (coaches included) needed.
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Originally posted by WarriorVoice View PostApparently there was an "investigation" after the game Saturday that extended into the week. The head official was in contact with some of the participants, trying to get their perspectives on what happened. I suppose IUP needed some sort of explanation as to why they lost a game when they didn't score more points than the opponent...
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