THE IUP Football Thread

[Ship69]

Upset with something someone is posting? Ignore or don't respond. If you respond, don't be surprised when something comes back at you. And I've found a lot of people on the Interweb to be ones who invariably must have the final post. So I usually set myself a limit in a thread — usually a three-post maximum on a given topic and I've done. Having a cow about what someone posts on a largely anonymous D2 sports site is really rather foolish anyway.

[WarriorVoice]

https://images.app.goo.gl/XPkvpadrYWoU5jXU7

This illustrates my point to a degree. Look at the congestion of programs in the Northeast US. I'll try to find an overlay of all 3 divisions...

[IUPNation]

And BINGO was his name ...

Our best teams all lack depth. It's real simple. Our first 25-30 players can stack up. By November, several of them are gone. What remains is a gigantic drop-off in talent.

If you took the two best players at every position in the Pee Sack and made a team out of them they’d be competitive vs Region 3.

Also what Wallst doesn’t get is Pee Sack schools sponsor more sports than MIAA schools do athletic dollars have to go further here.

[Wallst]

If you took the two best players at every position in the Pee Sack and made a team out of them they’d be competitive vs Region 3.

Also what Wallst doesn’t get is Pee Sack schools sponsor more sports than MIAA schools do athletic dollars have to go further here.

Valid point on more sports but I'll balance that against facilities.

Warrior Voice, someone else made the same observation about SR1 being more than the PSAC, please respond to my updated posts and numbers. As far as total population goes to my knowledge there should be very little difference between the % difference of 18-22 year olds in SR1 and SR3 as a % of total population.

[IUPNation]

Valid point on more sports but I'll balance that against facilities.

Warrior Voice, someone else made the same observation about SR1 being more than the PSAC, please respond to my updated posts and numbers. As far as total population goes to my knowledge there should be very little difference between the % difference of 18-22 year olds in SR1 and SR3 as a % of total population.

West Chester probably sponsors double the amount of sports than Pittsburg Without The H State.

[Tdobson]

What surprises me most about that map is the far west only has 2 d2 schools. I can’t believe that as huge as California is they don’t have any d2 schools.no surprise that Wyoming, Montana, and Idaho have no d2 schools.

[Fightingscot82]

What surprises me most about that map is the far west only has 2 d2 schools. I can’t believe that as huge as California is they don’t have any d2 schools.no surprise that Wyoming, Montana, and Idaho have no d2 schools.

There used to be a bunch more D2 schools out west. Azusa Pacific, Humboldt State, and Western Washington all dropped football in the last decade. A bunch of schools moved up: Northern Colorado, all the Dakota schools, UC Davis. Hell, Cal Poly was D2 but they never got over graduating Stef Georgavic.

[WarriorVoice]

Valid point on more sports but I'll balance that against facilities.

Warrior Voice, someone else made the same observation about SR1 being more than the PSAC, please respond to my updated posts and numbers. As far as total population goes to my knowledge there should be very little difference between the % difference of 18-22 year olds in SR1 and SR3 as a % of total population.

It's not about population. It's about opportunities for college students, and the competition of the schools going after those students.

[Wallst]

It's not about population. It's about opportunities for college students, and the competition of the schools going after those students.

So, it's then absolutely about population. You can't or shouldn't have one without the other. I proved with information and math that per person there are less D2 opportunities in SR3 than there is in SR1 and its not even close.

Now go lick your wounds and enjoy your Sunday.

[iupgroundhog]

So, it's then absolutely about population. You can't or shouldn't have one without the other. I proved with information and math that per person there are less D2 opportunities in SR3 than there is in SR1 and its not even close.

Now go lick your wounds and enjoy your Sunday.

Ok, whatever you think. I don't think anybody cares about this argument. But you didn't win it because of the neighboring states issue and the D3/D1 schools issue. However, the biggest difference is related to resources and emphasis. The number of sports fielded by the schools has been discussed. The biggest factor, though, is that while the PSAC is the dominant conference in SR1, the schools are forced by the state to rely solely on private donations for athletics scholarships. Frankly, I don't disagree with that policy.

[Ram040506]

So, it's then absolutely about population. You can't or shouldn't have one without the other. I proved with information and math that per person there are less D2 opportunities in SR3 than there is in SR1 and its not even close.

Now go lick your wounds and enjoy your Sunday.

You'd have to live in the area to understand. Football is not nearly as important in the NE as it is in other areas of the country. The talent pool in general, coupled with the sheer # of football playing universities dilutes the pool of recruitable players. Universities in this area typically offer more sports in their athletic department than schools in other areas of the country. Helps with enrollment, hurts the quality of product by spreading the scholarships thin amongst too many sports.

There might be 2 or 3 schools in the entire region that are fully funded or even at 30 total equivalencies for football. Kid's generally are taking the best financial package regardless if its D2 or D3, as they should.

[IUPbigINDIANS]

You'd have to live in the area to understand. Football is not nearly as important in the NE as it is in other areas of the country. The talent pool in general, coupled with the sheer # of football playing universities dilutes the pool of recruitable players. Universities in this area typically offer more sports in their athletic department than schools in other areas of the country. Helps with enrollment, hurts the quality of product by spreading the scholarships thin amongst too many sports.

There might be 2 or 3 schools in the entire region that are fully funded or even at 30 total equivalencies for football. Kid's generally are taking the best financial package regardless if its D2 or D3, as they should.

Consider D3 Mount Union (Ohio) would smoke about 80-90% of the teams in D2 SR1.

[IUPbigINDIANS]

The time has been announced for IUP's second game of the season (at Lock Haven). Kickoff is set for 6 p.m.

[iupgroundhog]

So, it's then absolutely about population. You can't or shouldn't have one without the other. I proved with information and math that per person there are less D2 opportunities in SR3 than there is in SR1 and its not even close.

Now go lick your wounds and enjoy your Sunday.

Your analysis is not a valid comparison at all. First of all, Pitt State is in Kansas. I could stop right there. Your D1 schools are Kansas, Kansas State, and Wichita State.

While some kids and their parents look at small college football as an opportunity to continue playing football, I think most decisions are made on the student/athlete experience. PA has so many high quality old, traditional private schools with football teams. There might be more of those rich old liberal arts schools in Massachusetts and/or New York, I ain't counting them, but as far as that caliber of school that also plays football I don't think any state matches PA. The list goes on and on, whether it's Albright, Delaware Valley, F&M. Moravian, Lycoming, Juniata, King's, Wilkes, Ursinus, Lebanon Valley, Dickinson, the less renowned schools in western PA, or maybe leave the state for a high quality HBCU, or maybe they get a chance to go to D1's Lehigh, Lafayette, Bucknell, Penn (or other Ivies), U of Delaware a few miles out of state, etc., etc, etc. The list goes on and on. Combine that with the scholarship situation and it's two different worlds.

I checked to see what D3 schools there are in Kansas. There aren't any. A bunch of NAIA schools that nobody ever heard of and for good reason.

Not to mention, Pitt State sponsors 12 intercollegiate sports. 12!!! Is that even NCAA legit?

I really don't get all this chest pumping ( I realize you're a gorilla). My perception of Pitt State is as a big football wannabe in a D2 world.

P.S. How do you comply with Title IX when you have 6 women's sports and 6 men's sports and one of them is football? The internet says the school is 49% female and 51 % male.

[EastStroud13]

I really don't get all this chest pumping ( I realize you're a gorilla). My perception of Pitt State is as a big football wannabe in a D2 world.

I would say this is apt. Both FCS and D2, for whatever reason, seem to have a backlog in that north central part of the country, because that's the area that lacks a G5 conference. So, the best teams in FCS (NDSU, SDSU, the Montanas) are stuck in FCS. The best teams in D2 aren't really able to compete with those teams, so they stay in D2 to beat up on the minnows in the small pond.

It's not really fair to compare them to SR1, because anyone who shows a pulse in SR1 gets an invite to FCS. Even if you don't have a pulse, they might invite you anyway (Mercyhurst).