Should Jamestown be accepted into the NSIC?

[Stanger86]

I see for whatever reason their website only goes back to 2012?

Dropped down from D2 in 2000. One season with over 3 wins in last 15 years of D2...

[zimmy21]

Dropped down from D2 in 2000. One season with over 3 wins in last 15 years of D2...

Yeah I remember them being ****, but I'm looking for what happened after transition down. Ok ow they're the premier NAIA program now, but I'm looking for immediately after running from D2

[Stanger86]

Yeah I remember them being ****, but I'm looking for what happened after transition down. Ok ow they're the premier NAIA program now, but I'm looking for immediately after running from D2

I think it took a few years before making the playoffs

[laker]

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[MrMustang]

A few pages back, someone posted about the number of sports at Crookston...I'm fairly new to following the NSIC this closely, but why would the conference not give them the boot? I agree that SCSU should probably go too, without football, but that decision was allowed for whatever reason. Why keep Crookston hanging around? They could go be with Morris in their league

I posted that . UMC has 4 men's sports. That's a joke and unacceptable.

[MrMustang]

I was told that also by one of the league experts. He said it would be unlikely that they would take a public school, even one like Dakota State which could fit in geographically.

I believe their by laws require faith based private schools, I read that wehn Waldorf joined. SO GPAC can't take DSU even if they want unless they change their by laws. I doubt the by laws will be changed based on the schools in the league - all private faith based.

[MrMustang]

If Mary leaves, NBD. 12 football and 14 overall is a fine conference. Makes a nice easy silo schedule for the conference to make, where you'd actually get to play everyone every year.

10 and 12 once UMC and SCSU leave

[MrMustang]

Well we all knew changes were coming, and the conference was falling apart, if the North Dakota schools leave I won't shed a tear, but makes you wonder what else is coming down the pipeline.

I still have yet to see a reason why Jamestown should be added.

well they will have football which is a required sport per the League rules -- which is more than UMC and SCSU can say.

[MrMustang]

Mary leaving is probably a done deal. They're tired of sucking at athletic endeavors.

Minot is public, where would they go? Minot most likely stays, thinking they could get better without Mary to recruit against.

Hopefully league pumps brakes on Jamestown, considering NSIC would be at an even number. Or does people in Burnsville blindly recommend UJ.

These recent posts on this thread is the first I have heard of Mary leaving. very interesting

[UMary1]

UMary is not leaving. Theyve invested way too much and theres been no talk of this from any reliable sources. Timing and a bad hire have set the football program back but they arent headed down.

[SW_Mustang]

well they will have football which is a required sport per the League rules -- which is more than UMC and SCSU can say.

I think the league dropped that rule which is why SCSU and Crookston dropped football on the same day and so suddenly. First day of the rule being in effect too, if I remember correctly.

[D2FootballFan1992]

UMary is not leaving. Theyve invested way too much and theres been no talk of this from any reliable sources. Timing and a bad hire have set the football program back but they arent headed down.

I don’t mean this as an insult, but what do you think it will take for Mary to get back to being competitive in the league? They had some real talent the last couple seasons, but all that amounted to is a 4 win season. From my outside opinion, it seems like Mary has struggled to get good local talent that can legitimately play in the NSIC. They’ve had a few guys here and there, but never feels like they are pulling a consistent crop of talented athletes from ND, MN, SD. If I remember correctly, Kotelnicki tried very hard to establish an ND recruiting base, but that staff went for quantity over quality and failed miserably.

I have visited the campus in the last year and it is incredible. Just hasn’t turned into results in the W/L column yet. Is it just far enough West where it’s hard to get kids from MN, WI, SD? Curious what you think needs to happen.

[Stanger86]

I don’t mean this as an insult, but what do you think it will take for Mary to get back to being competitive in the league? They had some real talent the last couple seasons, but all that amounted to is a 4 win season. From my outside opinion, it seems like Mary has struggled to get good local talent that can legitimately play in the NSIC. They’ve had a few guys here and there, but never feels like they are pulling a consistent crop of talented athletes from ND, MN, SD. If I remember correctly, Kotelnicki tried very hard to establish an ND recruiting base, but that staff went for quantity over quality and failed miserably.

I have visited the campus in the last year and it is incredible. Just hasn’t turned into results in the W/L column yet. Is it just far enough West where it’s hard to get kids from MN, WI, SD? Curious what you think needs to happen.

I think everyone needs to accept that isn't realistic to expect all 13 schools to be "competitive" to the point some here think is a requirement to be in the NSIC. If Mary, Minot, Jamestown, Southwest, etc are all "competitive" on a yearly basis, it might just mean that teams are winning the league with 2 or 3 losses minimum. For those fans of programs with yearly championship aspirations, are you sure you want that? Do you want only one program to escape out of the NSIC regular season good enough to make and compete in the postseason?

If you have three of the top programs in Division II, odds are likely to have a few bottom-feeder programs in that sport as well.

[D2FootballFan1992]

I think everyone needs to accept that isn't realistic to expect all 13 schools to be "competitive" to the point some here think is a requirement to be in the NSIC. If Mary, Minot, Jamestown, Southwest, etc are all "competitive" on a yearly basis, it might just mean that teams are winning the league with 2 or 3 losses minimum. For those fans of programs with yearly championship aspirations, are you sure you want that? Do you want only one program to escape out of the NSIC regular season good enough to make and compete in the postseason?

If you have three of the top programs in Division II, odds are likely to have a few bottom-feeder programs in that sport as well.

I don’t disagree with you. But I am sure fans of Mary and Minot would love to dig their way out of the bottom and I am just curious what they believe it will take to accomplish it. With Jamestown being geographically close to them, I would imagine it would be the same blue print for them to ever succeed if they are allowed in the NSIC.

in a perfect world, the “bottom feeders” would be more or less cyclical and not just 3-4 schools that have no shot of ever being competitive.

[Stanger86]

In some ways, when the NSIC welcomed the former NCCers in, I think it was most of the league accepting and being OK with probably never being at the top consistently in football. Only a few programs really have broken through that barrier and stayed there for a while.

Wayne -- As the school that is the furthest south, they have a unique recruiting advantage over the rest of the NSIC in a rather large Omaha market area. A lot of talented football players in the state and they can't all walk on at a floundering Huskers program.

Sioux Falls -- They were able to continue the successful blueprint they had in the NAIA and bring it over to Division II. Once they moved up, Augustana was their toughest competition in-market for a growing football region.

Bemidji -- I'd say it takes a unique football player to play home games in the fall in Bemidji. It's a market share that they largely have to their own. Bolte and his staff have bought into that and they've been able to sustain their success.