OT: D1

[Chuck Norris]

The bolded words there are what is troubling to me. In some of these cases, we're talking millions of dollars. That doesn't work in 'promises'. When you're dealing in numbers with a couple commas, there are no longer 'handshake' deals.

You would surely think these superstar mercenaries (and their legal people) demand this money to be in their bank account at the time they sign the dotted line. Or, don't sign.

The redshirt rule -- as in the UNLV case -- gives these guys a free out (essentially). They can play 3 games and still redshirt.

I have no objection to these kids cashing in. These college stars have value. Adding value costs money.

I agree with you. And it certainly makes sense that the real issue is that he got what was agreed to and now wants more.

I’m a big pro wrestling guy. I used to read all the websites. I quit doing that because the more I learned how things worked and what went on behind the scenes, the less I began to enjoy the product. I feel myself leaning that way with college sports now. I just want to watch the games and be blissfully ignorant of all the rest of it.

[IUPbigINDIANS]

I agree with you. And it certainly makes sense that the real issue is that he got what was agreed to and now wants more.

I’m a big pro wrestling guy. I used to read all the websites. I quit doing that because the more I learned how things worked and what went on behind the scenes, the less I began to enjoy the product. I feel myself leaning that way with college sports now. I just want to watch the games and be blissfully ignorant of all the rest of it.

I finally got to watch the Connor Stalions show on Netflix. I thought it was fascinating.

Talk about things your average fan doesn't even consider. They are running military-grade covert opps. LOL.

[TheBigCat2192]

It will be nice when the power of NIL is effectively neutralized in this capacity moving forward once the revenue sharing model kicks in. I've never been a proponent of paying college athletes, but I supported the principle of NIL (and that quickly went off the rails). The larger issue is that these collectives and boosters, which are essentially unaffiliated with the university, are the ones making these guarantees and promises. Moving forward, much of that money is going to be used to fund the revenue sharing in a lot of cases.

Might take longer than originally planned. Remember that the judge overseeing the House settlement objected specifically to the “valid business reasons” NIL clause and told the the two sides to go back to the negotiating table. I believe the deadline is tomorrow or thereabouts given that the original news reports were on the 5th and she gave them
a three week deadline. The NCAA has been adamant (at least publicly) that there is no settlement without the clearinghouse so this case (and the others that the NCAA
has been looking to fold in) could ultimately go to trial and mostly leave NIL as is for a few years.

[Chuck Norris]

I finally got to watch the Connor Stalions show on Netflix. I thought it was fascinating.

Talk about things your average fan doesn't even consider. They are running military-grade covert opps. LOL.

Yeah I gotta watch that. I love those. The Manti Teo one was great. I applaud him for being that open about it all. But I’m just too old to get having a “girlfriend” that you never see.

[IUP24]

Might take longer than originally planned. Remember that the judge overseeing the House settlement objected specifically to the “valid business reasons” NIL clause and told the the two sides to go back to the negotiating table. I believe the deadline is tomorrow or thereabouts given that the original news reports were on the 5th and she gave them
a three week deadline. The NCAA has been adamant (at least publicly) that there is no settlement without the clearinghouse so this case (and the others that the NCAA
has been looking to fold in) could ultimately go to trial and mostly leave NIL as is for a few years.

Right. Point is that the proposed process will effectively neuter collectives and these back alley deals once this is finalized. It was not a scenario I ever wanted, but it will be better than what we are currently seeing now.

[IUP24]

The report is that an assistant coach promised him $100,000 to transfer to UNLV and that money has not been paid.

Brennan Marion strikes again baby!!!! The chickens are coming home to roost for that guy. What a greasy, user. His exit from Pitt a few years ago was something.

[IUPbigINDIANS]

The report is that an assistant coach promised him $100,000 to transfer to UNLV and that money has not been paid.

Brennan Marion strikes again baby!!!! The chickens are coming home to roost for that guy. What a greasy, user. His exit from Pitt a few years ago was something.

He's going to be in demand now. That $100k will be chump change compared to what is coming next.

[Chuck Norris]

He's going to be in demand now. That $100k will be chump change compared to what is coming next.

Yeah if this is all over 100k it’s hard to believe there isn’t someone still around from the Tarkanian basketball era that could’ve scraped that together.

[TheBigCat2192]

He's going to be in demand now. That $100k will be chump change compared to what is coming next.

Maybe, maybe not. Worth noting that he has a sub-50% completion rate and half his passing TDs came in a buy game against an FCS school. His rushing at this level looks more legit at least.

[IUP24]

He's going to be in demand now. That $100k will be chump change compared to what is coming next.

I couldn't care less about the QB. Brennan Marion is getting exposed for being an absolute clown. That's where this story starts. He went rogue, did his own thing without truly consulting UNLV, and now it's blowing up in his face.

[IUP24]

Maybe, maybe not. Worth noting that he has a sub-50% completion rate and half his passing TDs came in a buy game against an FCS school. His rushing at this level looks more legit at least.

As more of this comes out, it sounds like Brennan Marion made fake promises to this kid and his family that he never was authorized to provide (monetarily, NIL, etc.). He is a serial user of people. The stories about how he left Pitt when Pat Narduzzi made him interview for the vacant OC job after Mark Whipple left were insane. Marion believed he should have just been handed the position. He's a jerk. He was one of the critical reasons why Jordan Addison left Pitt - or he at least was the one who got the ball rolling.

When it was clear he wasn't going to be Pitt's next offensive coordinator, Marion started shopping himself around college football programs - big programs; Texas, USC, etc. He essentially told them all that he was a packaged deal with Addison (he recruited Addison to Pitt) and that if he got a job on their offensive staff he would get Addison to follow him from Pitt. At the time, Addison had no intentions of transferring from Pitt. Marion ended up becoming the WRs coach for Texas, but was unable to land Addison. He was between USC and Texas, and USC offered him NIL opportunities which were supposed to be north of 2 million dollars. Addison would later say he never received close to 50% of what he was "guaranteed" when he transferred there.

My point in sharing this is:

1) This isn't Brennan Marion's first time going rogue and promising players things that he couldn't necessarily deliver. He tried doing this at Pitt too.
2) This QB is just one in a litany of players who agree to leave a situation that is comfortable and good for them (for many reasons) because they are promised things that don't exist. Everybody believes these are above the line deals. Most aren't, and most don't ever get what they are told they are going to get.

Regarding Marion and his connection to who I choose to root for.. Yeah, screw that guy.

[IUPbigINDIANS]

As more of this comes out, it sounds like Brennan Marion made fake promises to this kid and his family that he never was authorized to provide (monetarily, NIL, etc.). He is a serial user of people. The stories about how he left Pitt when Pat Narduzzi made him interview for the vacant OC job after Mark Whipple left were insane. Marion believed he should have just been handed the position. He's a jerk. He was one of the critical reasons why Jordan Addison left Pitt - or he at least was the one who got the ball rolling.

When it was clear he wasn't going to be Pitt's next offensive coordinator, Marion started shopping himself around college football programs - big programs; Texas, USC, etc. He essentially told them all that he was a packaged deal with Addison (he recruited Addison to Pitt) and that if he got a job on their offensive staff he would get Addison to follow him from Pitt. At the time, Addison had no intentions of transferring from Pitt. Marion ended up becoming the WRs coach for Texas, but was unable to land Addison. He was between USC and Texas, and USC offered him NIL opportunities which were supposed to be north of 2 million dollars. Addison would later say he never received close to 50% of what he was "guaranteed" when he transferred there.

My point in sharing this is:

1) This isn't Brennan Marion's first time going rogue and promising players things that he couldn't necessarily deliver. He tried doing this at Pitt too.
2) This QB is just one in a litany of players who agree to leave a situation that is comfortable and good for them (for many reasons) because they are promised things that don't exist. Everybody believes these are above the line deals. Most aren't, and most don't ever get what they are told they are going to get.

Regarding Marion and his connection to who I choose to root for.. Yeah, screw that guy.

Don't these players have agents now to handle the (legal) documents/contracts? Who takes somebody for their word regarding that much money? Sounds like some stupid players involved, too, if you ask me.

If it isn't a legal contract ... it's just bullsh!t.


"Promised" doesn't mean a thing. Tough life lesson.

[IUP24]

Don't these players have agents now to handle the (legal) documents/contracts? Who takes somebody for their word regarding that much money? Sounds like some stupid players involved, too, if you ask me.

If it isn't a legal contract ... it's just bullsh!t.


"Promised" doesn't mean a thing. Tough life lesson.

I think what you are missing is that so many of these aren't NIL deals rooted in the idea of what name, image, and likeness was actually supposed to be. NIL was supposed to be a player getting compensated to go and sign some autographs. Or a player's jersey could get sold in the bookstore and he would make the profits of that. If a car dealership wanted a player to be their face on a billboard, they would orchestrate a deal for that. In the vast majority of cases, that is NOT what is happening.

Using a local example, everybody talked a lot two years ago about needing people to open the checkbook so that they could find some NIL money to land Karst Hunter. What is his NIL deal? What services is he providing and getting paid for, relative to his NIL, around Indiana? The answer is he probably isn't. And he's just getting some bucks tossed his way on top of the scholarship. That is not what NIL is, regardless of how anyone wants to frame it.

My point is most of these deals aren't legally binding contracts - and they never were. Brennan Marion told this kid and his family that he would pay him 100,000 dollars to play QB at UNLV. There was no "NIL deal" that ever existed. It was just a rogue assistant coach that gave a price to player and thought he would figure out how to get the money down the road. I'm sure there was some paperwork involved, because to your point, these can't just be handshake deals. But the reality is that this is all just shadow money that is legally getting exchanged in a back alley under the guise of NIL. That's all this ever was...

So when I pound the table for why the revenue sharing model will be significantly better than this (regardless of any personal thoughts on direct compensation), that is why...

[Chuck Norris]

As more of this comes out, it sounds like Brennan Marion made fake promises to this kid and his family that he never was authorized to provide (monetarily, NIL, etc.). He is a serial user of people. The stories about how he left Pitt when Pat Narduzzi made him interview for the vacant OC job after Mark Whipple left were insane. Marion believed he should have just been handed the position. He's a jerk. He was one of the critical reasons why Jordan Addison left Pitt - or he at least was the one who got the ball rolling.

When it was clear he wasn't going to be Pitt's next offensive coordinator, Marion started shopping himself around college football programs - big programs; Texas, USC, etc. He essentially told them all that he was a packaged deal with Addison (he recruited Addison to Pitt) and that if he got a job on their offensive staff he would get Addison to follow him from Pitt. At the time, Addison had no intentions of transferring from Pitt. Marion ended up becoming the WRs coach for Texas, but was unable to land Addison. He was between USC and Texas, and USC offered him NIL opportunities which were supposed to be north of 2 million dollars. Addison would later say he never received close to 50% of what he was "guaranteed" when he transferred there.

My point in sharing this is:

1) This isn't Brennan Marion's first time going rogue and promising players things that he couldn't necessarily deliver. He tried doing this at Pitt too.
2) This QB is just one in a litany of players who agree to leave a situation that is comfortable and good for them (for many reasons) because they are promised things that don't exist. Everybody believes these are above the line deals. Most aren't, and most don't ever get what they are told they are going to get.

Regarding Marion and his connection to who I choose to root for.. Yeah, screw that guy.

It seems that UNLV’s strong start was gaining him some traction as a young assistant on the rise. Crazy it could get derailed because he couldn’t scrape together 100k in Vegas of all places. I’m sure Nicky Santoro would’ve lent him the cash if he and his kid brother Dominick hadn’t gotten buried in a cornfield out in the sticks.

[IUP24]

It seems that UNLV’s strong start was gaining him some traction as a young assistant on the rise. Crazy it could get derailed because he couldn’t scrape together 100k in Vegas of all places. I’m sure Nicky Santoro would’ve lent him the cash if he and his kid brother Dominick hadn’t gotten buried in a cornfield out in the sticks.

He was already gaining traction, but he's also burned plenty of bridges. UNLV's offense was one of the best in the country last year and he was gaining notoriety. His "Go-Go offense" is unique and innovative. I'm not saying he's not a smart offensive mind. But he's a total jackass.