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  • Originally posted by ESU Warrior View Post
    Would still love to hear if anyone was able to find a game to replace Mercy? Good opp for the PSAC to pick up a non-traditional opponet.
    At this point the only non-conference openings left in D2 are either multiple states away or are in the NE-10, whose teams seem to prefer playing 10 game schedules anyway. Clarion, Millersville, Bloom, and Edinboro were wise to pick each other up, but there's no more East teams left for the other West teams to crossover with, so I think you might see other teams just keep the bye week on their schedule

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    • Originally posted by Fightingscot82 View Post

      I do think that the creation of PASSHE likely had a role. A show of solidarity to all be in both the same system and same conference. I imagine they also recognized that they didn't have the fundraising capacity. Until our schools were terrible at fundraising until the last 25-30 years (they're still not great). But also until the 90s, most of our alumni were teachers making decent middle class salaries. Not exactly major gift prospects or able to create a pay-for-prestige program like most D1 schools have.
      Definitely PASSHE created solidarity. But IUP was Independent from 1966-1973. When the NCAA formed 3 different Divisions in 1973, IUP opted back to the PSAC and D2.

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      • Originally posted by iupgroundhog View Post

        Definitely PASSHE created solidarity. But IUP was Independent from 1966-1973. When the NCAA formed 3 different Divisions in 1973, IUP opted back to the PSAC and D2.
        When I UP left, did they play independent or were they in a conference?

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        • Originally posted by boatcapt View Post

          When I UP left, did they play independent or were they in a conference?
          They were Independent.

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          • Obviously the Director's Cup isn't the be-all end-all when it comes to the strength of an athletic program but it can be a decent enough measuring stick. Mercyhurst ended up fine, but not really with a point total that screams "D1-caliber" (especially since 90 of those points came in... women's rowing?). Meanwhile, Grand Valley State sits at the top with 983 points, and that's with several sports being removed due to scoring in more than the maximum of 15 sports.

            19. Gannon 537.50 points
            36. Kutztown 408.50 points
            T-39. West Chester 393.00 points
            T-39. IUP 393.00 points
            62. East Stroudsburg 298.50 points
            65. Mercyhurst 284.50 points
            79. Millersville 244.50 points
            89. Shippensburg 221.50 points
            99. Slippery Rock 209.50 points
            107. Clarion 191.50 points
            127. California 157.00 points
            128. Seton Hill 153.50 points
            147. Pittsburgh-Johnstown 121.50 points
            161. Bloomsburg 102.00 points
            162. Edinboro 101.50 points
            169. Lock Haven 96.50 points
            T-238. Shepherd 25.00 points

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            • Grand Valley is possibly the best athletic program in the country at any division. Yes, they're larger and adjacent to a thriving small city. But they're larger because athletics has increased their profile so much. And they're very good at most programs and able to find the resources to sustain it.

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              • Originally posted by EastStroud13 View Post
                Obviously the Director's Cup isn't the be-all end-all when it comes to the strength of an athletic program but it can be a decent enough measuring stick. Mercyhurst ended up fine, but not really with a point total that screams "D1-caliber" (especially since 90 of those points came in... women's rowing?). Meanwhile, Grand Valley State sits at the top with 983 points, and that's with several sports being removed due to scoring in more than the maximum of 15 sports.

                19. Gannon 537.50 points
                36. Kutztown 408.50 points
                T-39. West Chester 393.00 points
                T-39. IUP 393.00 points
                62. East Stroudsburg 298.50 points
                65. Mercyhurst 284.50 points
                79. Millersville 244.50 points
                89. Shippensburg 221.50 points
                99. Slippery Rock 209.50 points
                107. Clarion 191.50 points
                127. California 157.00 points
                128. Seton Hill 153.50 points
                147. Pittsburgh-Johnstown 121.50 points
                161. Bloomsburg 102.00 points
                162. Edinboro 101.50 points
                169. Lock Haven 96.50 points
                T-238. Shepherd 25.00 points
                Although it suits my selfish interests... Shepherd's athletic program is really bad right now beyond football. Football gets most of the attention, rightfully so as well and they shouldn't take anything from it.

                Basketball:
                Mens team has been the same .500 or so 20 years. Definition of mediocre.
                Womens team is 7-47 over the last 2 seasons. Horrendous.

                Soccer:
                Men's team has been bad for as long as I can remember. Think they've won 9 games since 2017, its pathetic.
                Womens team has gone from being awful, to average. Which regarding the overall sports success at the school, is a good thing.

                Baseball has gone from conference contender in the MEC, to an average program around .500 in the PSAC.

                Softball has been a mirror image of the baseball team, contender in the MEC to another average program in the PSAC.

                Women's Lacrosse has been a cellar dweller for about 6 years or so now.

                Volleyball was our golden egg on the women's side for the most part of the last decade.

                Golf is a train wreck, Tennis and CC are just enrollment boosters rarely winning anything.

                I don't know really how to feel about it all. I guess just be happy that the football team has done well and continues to get pretty decent support.

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                • Originally posted by EastStroud13 View Post
                  Obviously the Director's Cup isn't the be-all end-all when it comes to the strength of an athletic program but it can be a decent enough measuring stick. Mercyhurst ended up fine, but not really with a point total that screams "D1-caliber" (especially since 90 of those points came in... women's rowing?). Meanwhile, Grand Valley State sits at the top with 983 points, and that's with several sports being removed due to scoring in more than the maximum of 15 sports.
                  19. Gannon 537.50 points
                  36. Kutztown 408.50 points
                  T-39. West Chester 393.00 points
                  T-39. IUP 393.00 points
                  62. East Stroudsburg 298.50 points
                  65. Mercyhurst 284.50 points
                  79. Millersville 244.50 points
                  89. Shippensburg 221.50 points
                  99. Slippery Rock 209.50 points
                  107. Clarion 191.50 points
                  127. California 157.00 points
                  128. Seton Hill 153.50 points
                  147. Pittsburgh-Johnstown 121.50 points
                  161. Bloomsburg 102.00 points
                  162. Edinboro 101.50 points
                  169. Lock Haven 96.50 points
                  T-238. Shepherd 25.00 points
                  What you meant to say the Dixon Trophy is a bunch of crap and this is more indicative of a strong athletic program.

                  IUP did better than most despite our top two programs being floaters in the toilet by our standards this year.

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                  • Originally posted by IUPNation View Post

                    What you meant to say the Dixon Trophy is a bunch of crap and this is more indicative of a strong athletic program.

                    IUP did better than most despite our top two programs being floaters in the toilet by our standards this year.

                    It was a pretty strong year at IUP -- oddly aside from the two flagship programs. Keep in mind Tort and Joe were both still above .500 in their 'disaster' seasons. It did feel like both were winless at times. But, if your 'train-wreck' season is still above .500 ... things can always be worse.

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                    • Originally posted by IUPbigINDIANS View Post


                      It was a pretty strong year at IUP -- oddly aside from the two flagship programs. Keep in mind Tort and Joe were both still above .500 in their 'disaster' seasons. It did feel like both were winless at times. But, if your 'train-wreck' season is still above .500 ... things can always be worse.
                      Who knew? You actually do better in these things if some of your programs other than football or basketball are competitive. As far as the flagship programs go, I don't imagine Ship's worst men's and women's basketball seasons in many years combined with a bad football season was much help. Shepherd, as one of their fans pointed out above, is currently an example of what happens in sports program evaluations when you're good at football and not much else.

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                      • Originally posted by Ship69 View Post

                        Who knew? You actually do better in these things if some of your programs other than football or basketball are competitive. As far as the flagship programs go, I don't imagine Ship's worst men's and women's basketball seasons in many years combined with a bad football season was much help. Shepherd, as one of their fans pointed out above, is currently an example of what happens in sports program evaluations when you're good at football and not much else.
                        The Dixon Trophy is still bogus.

                        Slimey Pebble wins it but is way down the list on the Directors Cup.

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