Should Jamestown be accepted into the NSIC?

[Purple Mav Man]

This is a silly discussion to have when I absolutely specified: "didn't even have a varsity team to put on the ice."

There's a student club on campus that plays hockey - just like there is at most schools, but the school itself doesn't have hockey. I guess most wouldn't confuse the two, so I'll chalk it up to people just enjoying a good argument. I'm all for it.

Now that being said - nothing I said is a knock against the athletes. Those guys go insanely hard, and are absolutely talented in their own right. It's also really cool that the university is giving them visibility with a webpage. Most schools wouldn't do that.

You’re right.

There you go… that outta help today 🙂

[SW_Mustang]

Yeah I don't consider that "club" hockey. They recruit, offer scholarships, etc. It'd be like trying to argue that SMSU doesn't offer wheelchair basketball.

Ha, okay lol. I'll concede that you can absolutely consider them whatever you want too. That's definitely not worth arguing over.

That being said, for the record - SMSU Wheelchair Basketball is not a club sport. It's a varsity sport. The HC is on the same payroll as Bigler and Underwood. It's one of two varsity wheelchair basketball programs in the country, the other being Whitewater. It's fully sponsored and funded through the university and is not a student organization.

[Stanger86]

That being said, for the record - SMSU Wheelchair Basketball is not a club sport. It's a varsity sport. The HC is on the same payroll as Bigler and Underwood. It's one of two varsity wheelchair basketball programs in the country, the other being Whitewater. It's fully sponsored and funded through the university and is not a student organization.

That's my point. And now I will concede that you have a point as well.

From the coach's bio:
The Minnesota Crookston hockey program is a competitive travel club hockey program competing in the ACHA, and will be run out of the Golden Eagle athletics department.

[SW_Mustang]

That's my point. And now I will concede that you have a point as well.

From the coach's bio:
The Minnesota Crookston hockey program is a competitive travel club hockey program competing in the ACHA, and will be run out of the Golden Eagle athletics department.

I guess I don't understand the point you are trying to make. It's either varsity or it's not, and by UMC's own admission, it's not - according to that blurb.

Is it the bit about it being run through the AD? Would you be surprised to know that SMSU's (on-paper) ACHA team is/was/will be run through the athletic department as well? They handled recruiting and the head coach (when we had one) was on the athletic department payroll too - yet it was still a student organization.

The bit I'm curious about is how Johnson's position was created by UMC. I have a theory, but I don't know enough about Title 9/accounting/state policies to know for sure, and it's not really worth taking the time to research. (Not a knock against coach - dude has a resume that is wildly impressive).

[SW_Mustang]

I think we're confused on terms here - so to end this discussion once and for all (because it's quite ridiculous to be talking about this on a college athletics board):

-A student club is an organization operated by students and is a separate entity from the university largely responsible for funding themselves.
-A varsity program is owned/operated/funded by the university.

Now - yes, just because a school is ACHA doesn't automatically mean they are club (Minot comes to mind, I believe). It's hard to tell with UMC - they claim to be club but it's promoted like varsity. Colleges promote clubs all the time despite not actually owning them. All we have to go on is coach's bio where they claim to be club (and therefore not varsity). Club hockey is a popular alternative because schools can host a hockey team without actually taking on much risk - there's no Title IX requirements because the school isn't paying for it.

So no - by definition, UMC does not have a hockey program (if the coach's bio is correct). There is a student club on campus that plays hockey, but the school itself does not have hockey. I don't understand what scholarships and recruiting have to do with anything. SMSU's Accounting Club recruits and used to give out scholarships (and maybe still does) too.

Do we need three pages to discuss intramurals now too, or do we got it? lol

[Mandan]

Valley City and Mayville State are really swinging in the breeze right now. If they stay NAIA, they'll have to go out to western Montana frequently to find conference games. D3 UMAC seems like a better fit for them at first glance.

For the record, here is the Eastern division of the Frontier for football. Not sure how they are dividing home and away rotation, but with 3 Montana schools I assume they'd have one year when they travel once to Montana for their conference/division game, and twice the other year. I don't think I'd call that frequent.

Dakota State
Dickinson State
Mayville State
Montana State Northern
Montana Tech
Rocky Mountain College
Valley City State

Valley City in 2025 has a trip to Eastern Oregon early in the year as a non-division game, then the division game trips to Northern and Montana Tech. The other two road games are against the DSUs.

Other sports are better, because the East division is all Dakota/Nebraska schools, with Belleview and Bismarck State joining the other Dakota schools.

[Dan Brookens]

It's only a matter of time before Dakota State makes the step up to DII. I'd bet by 2030.

[oldyellaHer69]

It's only a matter of time before Dakota State makes the step up to DII. I'd bet by 2030.

It’s already done, it was part of the back room Jimmy/Trojan deal facilitated over margaritas at Paradiso in Jamestown. NSIC waiting for the facilities to be completed before announcing in time for the 2028 season.

[vikingfaithful]

It’s already done, it was part of the back room Jimmy/Trojan deal facilitated over margaritas at Paradiso in Jamestown. NSIC waiting for the facilities to be completed before announcing in time for the 2028 season.

Curious about fire damage at Jamestown U dining/kitchen fire progress?

[Finchwidget]

Jamestown men's volleyball is currently 6-18 on the season with 3 games left on their schedule-- a pretty far cry from last season's 22-2 finish. I understand that volleyball is the Jimmies' bread and butter, so I was rooting for them to finish their last season in the NAIA strong so that they might be able to parlay that success into an affiliate membership with a men's volleyball conference in the NCAA like the GLVC and show they bring something to the table there. Not looking good on that front though, unfortunately.

[Purple Mav Man]

Jamestown men's volleyball is currently 6-18 on the season with 3 games left on their schedule-- a pretty far cry from last season's 22-2 finish. I understand that volleyball is the Jimmies' bread and butter, so I was rooting for them to finish their last season in the NAIA strong so that they might be able to parlay that success into an affiliate membership with a men's volleyball conference in the NCAA like the GLVC and show they bring something to the table there. Not looking good on that front though, unfortunately.

Just wait for their women’s team. DOMINANT!!!

[laker]

Curious about fire damage at Jamestown U dining/kitchen fire progress?

My Horace Mann agent has a son on the soccer team. They are getting things figured out- obviously with dining services being affected it was a real pain in the butt to get the students fed. He said that the bookstore had a big fire sale from the smoke damage.

I hope to be at the football game Sept 20th. I've seen the Jimmies play on the road but never on campus.

[zimmy21]

It's been years nearly 2 years and the answer is still NO

[CollegeFBGuy]

It's been years nearly 2 years and the answer is still NO

I have heard from some Moorhead contacts about how bad the Jimmy’s really are. It’s been discussed here forever, but what an ugly transition it will be for them and those that have to act interested in playing them

[MrMustang]

Ha, okay lol. I'll concede that you can absolutely consider them whatever you want too. That's definitely not worth arguing over.

That being said, for the record - SMSU Wheelchair Basketball is not a club sport. It's a varsity sport. The HC is on the same payroll as Bigler and Underwood. It's one of two varsity wheelchair basketball programs in the country, the other being Whitewater. It's fully sponsored and funded through the university and is not a student organization.

it is considered on par with all other sports and should be.

I asked once why the State of Minnesota doesn't fully fund this... it would be a great way for the State to put its money where it's mouth is on disabled students and equity and diversity. The Legislature should pay for all of Wheelchair outside of the other funding it gives to SMSU.