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  • Re: Iup basketball

    Originally posted by IUP24 View Post
    The biggest complaint I’ve had about this team all season is the poor free throw shooting. Particularly late in the game. They should have lost the East Stroud game because of it. Had they hit their free throws late in the Slippery Rock game they probably win it. For as talented as Cobo is he simply has to hit both of them. Has to.


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    No doubt. All American candidate needs to go 2-2 there.

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      Here in the light of the morning after, let's be honest: IUP is still the team to beat in the Region. I doubt WLU is gonna run the table the rest of the way (with a visit to the Fighting Boltes in Athens coming up this weekend, and with the conference tourney likely matching them up against teams that can beat them--Charleston always seems to have their number come tourney time). We've seen VSU fall in the CIAA tourney before. You guys are fine and likely still in the driver's seat top host the Regional (which is a huge advantage as far as getting to the Elite 8). Earlier in the season, you guys were willing to concede that nobody goes undefeated in the PSAC, so losses like these were always lurking on the schedule. Well, here it is. And you're still fine. (But just in case, somebody should check on IUPbigINDIANS today). ; )

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      • Originally posted by Scrub View Post
        Here in the light of the morning after, let's be honest: IUP is still the team to beat in the Region. I doubt WLU is gonna run the table the rest of the way (with a visit to the Fighting Boltes in Athens coming up this weekend, and with the conference tourney likely matching them up against teams that can beat them--Charleston always seems to have their number come tourney time). We've seen VSU fall in the CIAA tourney before. You guys are fine and likely still in the driver's seat top host the Regional (which is a huge advantage as far as getting to the Elite 8). Earlier in the season, you guys were willing to concede that nobody goes undefeated in the PSAC, so losses like these were always lurking on the schedule. Well, here it is. And you're still fine. (But just in case, somebody should check on IUPbigINDIANS today). ; )

        This here kind of echoes my thoughts. They might not win the region, but they’ve beaten most of the teams that will have a shot to win it.

        I don’t see how if they finish the year with 2-3 losses they don’t host the region. When you look at who they’ve played and beaten there’s way too much material there.

        I don’t think anybody should jump off the bridge. Mercyhurst is good team that plays IUP tough every time they get together. More specifically, they’re the only team that really plays well in the KCAC. Just the way it goes. Teams/matchups like that exist.


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        • Re: Iup basketball

          Originally posted by IUPbigINDIANS View Post
          Bad loss
          Basketball always is a heartbreaker of a game.

          But it was a short month ago that both you and joe talked about what fighters this team is, coming back to win after getting behind on the road.

          What people are saying about this game are true. The fight was not there. even so, they came back from a cold start, could have putthe game away with about 5 minutes left, but couldn't generate that last push they needed, only to get beat on a 1 in 3 shot.

          Maybe the team peaked too early, maybe there are some physical problems, maybe they are just tired from the tough schedule. We'll see on Wednesday. But IUP is still in the drivers seat, as long as they have some of those good games still left in them.

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            Originally posted by IUPbigINDIANS View Post
            Bad loss
            Drop one to Lock Haven. Then we'll talk bad loss.

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            • Re: Iup basketball

              They don't hand out trophies for being "the team to beat"...You have to earn it...
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                Perhaps, but you have to be "the team to beat" before teams get up to beat you. IUP's earned that distinction.

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                  They lost because piss poor free throw shooting and poor from three. That's the bottom line.

                  The last play Dante blew the D. When they kicked out to Pat Smith, why in the world did Dante close out to him? If Smith shoots that three and makes it, I can live with that. BUT Dante leaving the best 3 point threat in the league is baffling to me. No way that kid should've ever had the chance at that 3.

                  Moving on... IUP is still in the drivers seat and knows they have a lot of work today. Joe needs to utilize the bench too. Not enough minutes from those guys tonight.

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                  • Originally posted by Chuck Norris View Post
                    Cobo only hitting one of two free throws put them in a bind. They had to respect that the kid could’ve driven all the way and tied the game, though obviously you’d rather have that then give up the look at a 3. And Mercy executed that play perfectly. Kid drives it, kicks it out, that kid makes the extra pass and that’s all she wrote.
                    Don’t forget Dante missing the front end of a 1 and 1 just before that. Both hurt. There’s just more of a light on Diaz’s miss because of when it happened.


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                    • I’m not bothered by the loss as much as some. It hurts to lose on a buzzer-beater. It wasn’t fun walking out to my truck, but at the end of the day it’s just a loss. IUP controls it’s own destiny, even if the margin for error has shrunk a bit.

                      IUP’s teams that made deep runs and even the finals had multiple losses. A bad loss would be UPJ or Seton Hill. Mercyhurst is legit. Is IUP the better on most nights? Probably, but Hurst is good enough to beat anyone on any given night.

                      My biggest concern for this team is toughness underneath. The trio of big guys got moved around and out-hustled consistently last night. Diaz is the only consistent scoring threat down there, and he’s banged up with a bad back. They’ll compete with anyone who wants to run and gun, but teams that are physical will be a problem.


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                        Originally posted by EyeoftheHawk View Post
                        I’m not bothered by the loss as much as some. It hurts to lose on a buzzer-beater. It wasn’t fun walking out to my truck, but at the end of the day it’s just a loss. IUP controls it’s own destiny, even if the margin for error has shrunk a bit.

                        IUP’s teams that made deep runs and even the finals had multiple losses. A bad loss would be UPJ or Seton Hill. Mercyhurst is legit. Is IUP the better on most nights? Probably, but Hurst is good enough to beat anyone on any given night.

                        My biggest concern for this team is toughness underneath. The trio of big guys got moved around and out-hustled consistently last night. Diaz is the only consistent scoring threat down there, and he’s banged up with a bad back. They’ll compete with anyone who wants to run and gun, but teams that are physical will be a problem.


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                        This is probably the most measured take to date. IUP has played well enough to have a buffer so that the loss to Mercyhurst isn't as devastating to their #1 region seed as it could be. The Lakers are a tough team to play against. Manchel's defense will always keep them in the game. But the buffer is gone now.

                        The next three games are critical -- SRU, at Gannon (IUP will be heavily favored, but the Knights seem to be shooting well at home lately and Reilly's defense can also throw teams off) and at UPJ. If IUP can get by those three games, the last four games are a cakewalk to 26-2 and potential home court advantage all the way to the Elite 8.

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                          All great points Golden.

                          I think Lombardi will use the ‘Hurst lost as a wake up call to head into the home stretch, especially for his seniors. I think IUP runs the table from here out.

                          The SRU game at IUP will be pure revenge and I think IUP wins by 15.

                          The only other teams with a shot are Gannon and UPJ. Gannon is banged up and just doesn’t have the inside game and scoring punch to beat IUP no matter how well Gannon defends.

                          UPJ is also banged up - Mulbah has been out a few games with an ankle and the other back up Big has a shoulder issue - and I don’t think UPJ has the depth or talent to hang with an IUP.

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                            Wednesday vs SRU is going to be interesting.

                            In the last matchup IUP used 8 players while SRU went 10 deep. Till played 32 minutes (the most for SRU) while IUP had 5 players at 32+ minutes (Miller 40, Dante 38, Cobo 36, Armoni 34, Willem 32).

                            Much concern has been voiced on this board of the heavy minutes the IUP starters have logged since that game with fatigue being a concern moving forward. If Joe is compensating for high game minutes with less pounding at practice, then this could be a non issue. The converse applies to SRU. Are they working harder at practice to compensate for his deeper bench? No way to measure.

                            One thing that likely will hurt SRU is Micah Till’s game demeanor that appears to be wearing thin on the officials. Yesterday he was pretty mouthy to Cal’s players and their head coach. Grady removed Till early in the second half just so he’d cool down. At some point the refs gave Till a warning but late in the game he blocked a shot and “yelled get that outta here” and promptly received a T. If his cockiness escalates on Wednesday, the officials may have him on a short leash. Stay tuned for that.

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                            • Originally posted by IUPTrackMan View Post
                              Wednesday vs SRU is going to be interesting.

                              In the last matchup IUP used 8 players while SRU went 10 deep. Till played 32 minutes (the most for SRU) while IUP had 5 players at 32+ minutes (Miller 40, Dante 38, Cobo 36, Armoni 34, Willem 32).

                              Much concern has been voiced on this board of the heavy minutes the IUP starters have logged since that game with fatigue being a concern moving forward. If Joe is compensating for high game minutes with less pounding at practice, then this could be a non issue. The converse applies to SRU. Are they working harder at practice to compensate for his deeper bench? No way to measure.

                              One thing that likely will hurt SRU is Micah Till’s game demeanor that appears to be wearing thin on the officials. Yesterday he was pretty mouthy to Cal’s players and their head coach. Grady removed Till early in the second half just so he’d cool down. At some point the refs gave Till a warning but late in the game he blocked a shot and “yelled get that outta here” and promptly received a T. If his cockiness escalates on Wednesday, the officials may have him on a short leash. Stay tuned for that.

                              Depends on who the crew is. If it’s the GQ crew led by the hair gel model, he can get away with axe murder while Joe gets T’d up.


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                              • Re: Iup basketball

                                I'll apologize for being harsh. To quote Billy Beane ... I hate losing more than I love winning.

                                My frustration wasn't that they lost. It was how they lost.

                                If you read the paper today ... it doesn't take a genius to read between Joe's lines. That was as blatant a call-out as he's made here in a long, long time. He called them soft in his trademark Joe Speak.

                                The effort was inexcusable last night. How you come out flat for a rival game in front of 3,000 fans is mystifying. It wasn't just last night, either. Their first halfs lately have been poor against good teams. Coach said so himself. They were LUCKY to be down 10 at the half.

                                How a team with (3) 6'10" seniors gets embarrassed on the boards is baffling. Those three got battered and sauteed last night.

                                That's effort, boys and girls. Lack of it. Lack of fight and grit.

                                I stand by my comment they currently lack war dawgs. There's no DeVante Chance fire on this team. Malik has it. Not seeing it many other places.

                                Great teams would have ended that game with 6 minutes left.

                                Joe admitted not calling the timeout after the timeout when they saw Massey wasn't on the floor. They were going to foul him. By not calling that timeout they were discombulated as their whole timeout was spent planning the move to foul him (40% FT shooter). Regardless, how the D2 Larry Bird has nobody within 10' of him is just beyond explanation.

                                Foul shots ..... it won't go away.

                                So, now, Wednesday means everything. A loss likely means no conference tournament hosting. And, no regional hosting. Basketball aside, it's a HUGE money game for IUP.

                                In the way is the definition of a tough, physical, arrogant team.

                                If IUP doesn't come out pissing fire Wednesday ... they aren't ever going to. Talent isn't the problem. They have a ton of that. But, something is off.

                                I'm sure that wasn't a fun film session today. It shouldn't have been. Only factual thing right now is this team has lost its last two tough games in a row. They aren't built to play these slop fests but there's no choice.

                                So, yeah, it's one game and it may not mean anything. But, it may. It may mean a whole lot. There were some alarming items shown.

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