Iup basketball

[Ship69]

As has been discussed frequently in this thread ... the way Joe plays them ... the team has no chance.

His 2015 team could dictate IUP's style and beat an up-tempo team.

Needless to say, this is certainly not his 2015 team.

The annoying thing as a fan is nothing changes. It's essentially watching a movie on re-run. Everything they do is custom-made to be smothered by the trap -- from the turtle-slow ball inbounding to routinely getting swallowed in the coffin corner.

As we've alluded, IUP may have a fancy record but this isn't a team going on any sort of March run. I'd say this particular team is good but its ceiling is kind of the top of Tier 2 within the Region.

They'll get a home game Monday night against either SRU, SH or Edinboro. They are 6-0 against those teams but in a one-and-done ... who knows.

Make no mistake they got beat up last night -- physically and mentally. Saturday wont' be pretty. So, who knows where their heads will be come Monday night.

It is very frustrating to have a good team that can't quite get over the top in the big games. At Ship the frustration has been having such a Jekyll and Hyde team this season. They were picked preseason to finish fifth in the East and will actually finish at that spot, but the way they've gotten there has been very strange.

[Scrub]

The rest of the PSAC needs to solve the Gannon thing, especially those in the West who play them more often. So far, other than the occasional upset, progress seems to be slow.

That's precisely what went on in the MEC after Crutch's initial run of dominance. Teams had to figure out how to respond because playing their traditional way wasn't getting the job done. To my recollection, Dwaine Osborne's UC teams were the only ones to remain relatively steadfast in their slow-paced, bang-the-paint style. And Osborne had some success against Crutchfield and Howlett. But most of the league felt the need to start remaking their programs faster and more athletic.

There are certainly multiple ways to beat "the system" (and IUP had one of those recipes about 10 years back), but not responding and just doing more of the same is not really an option. A non-response is just acceptance that Gannon will win the league every year.

Granted, WLU has only lost the regular season league title once in the history of the MEC, but the Fairmonts, UCs, WVSUs, Glenvilles, and--lately--Frostburgs have definitely closed the gap.

Right now in the PSAC, the gap feels cavernous.

[IUPbigINDIANS]

The rest of the PSAC needs to solve the Gannon thing, especially those in the West who play them more often. So far, other than the occasional upset, progress seems to be slow.

As has been discussed frequently in this thread ... the way Joe plays them ... the team has no chance.

His 2015 team could dictate IUP's style and beat an up-tempo team.

Needless to say, this is certainly not his 2015 team.

The annoying thing as a fan is nothing changes. It's essentially watching a movie on re-run. Everything they do is custom-made to be smothered by the trap -- from the turtle-slow ball inbounding to routinely getting swallowed in the coffin corner.

As we've alluded, IUP may have a fancy record but this isn't a team going on any sort of March run. I'd say this particular team is good but its ceiling is kind of the top of Tier 2 within the Region.

They'll get a home game Monday night against either SRU, SH or Edinboro. They are 6-0 against those teams but in a one-and-done ... who knows.

Make no mistake they got beat up last night -- physically and mentally. Saturday wont' be pretty. So, who knows where their heads will be come Monday night.

[Ship69]

I never in a million years thought this would be the case but Joe's probably a 30-point home dog on Saturday.

Think about that. Based on the past two massacres against Gannon, I think the line Saturday is legitimately in the IUP +29.5 or +30.5 range.

Joe's had by my count (7) big games this season. He's 2-5 in those games.

You need a whole lot of dawgs to beat a Cal or Gannon. There weren't many dawgs wearing Crimson last night.

The rest of the PSAC needs to solve the Gannon thing, especially those in the West who play them more often. So far, other than the occasional upset, progress seems to be slow.

[IUPalum]

I never in a million years thought this would be the case but Joe's probably a 30-point home dog on Saturday.

Think about that. Based on the past two massacres against Gannon, I think the line Saturday is legitimately in the IUP +29.5 or +30.5 range.

Joe's had by my count (7) big games this season. He's 2-5 in those games.

You need a whole lot of dawgs to beat a Cal or Gannon. There weren't many dawgs wearing Crimson last night.

I agree other than the Ashland game. I actually think they'd beat Ashland the second time around. Piss poor FT shooting and playing the worthless press made that game close. FT's are much better now and the press wouldn't be used. BUT yes, 2-5 means going home early unless something triggers them. Gannon is going to maybe put a 40 burger on them. Can't be soft against them. Also, Christian has been off now for three game. He just does't look himself. Is he hurt? Tired? I don't know but your second best player can't disappear like he has.

[IUPbigINDIANS]

This will all be over very soon for the IUP men, maybe sooner than expected. This team has blown chunks against the three biggest and most physical teams. This team is beyond soft!

This team needs to get bigger, stronger and more physical in a hurry. It won't happen this year but Joe has to change how he recruits. What size Joe does have just doesn't want to get into the mix. I just don't get it!

Some poor shooting last night contributed to the awful game but Cal being bigger and stronger also contributed. IUP couldn't dribble penetrate like normal so Cal kept pushing them further and further from the rim. Hence, lower percentage shots. IUP also didn't take some shots last night because they were scared of the size.

This isn't an awful IUP team but this roster isn't built to win championships either. You need a good blend of skill and beef. This team lacks the beef.

Maybe the light switch will turn on for a few but I highly doubt it. IUP will now have a tough run to make NCAA's starting with Gannon on Saturday. Yikes!

I never in a million years thought this would be the case but Joe's probably a 30-point home dog on Saturday.

Think about that. Based on the past two massacres against Gannon, I think the line Saturday is legitimately in the IUP +29.5 or +30.5 range.

Joe's had by my count (7) big games this season. He's 2-5 in those games.

You need a whole lot of dawgs to beat a Cal or Gannon. There weren't many dawgs wearing Crimson last night.

[IUPalum]

This will all be over very soon for the IUP men, maybe sooner than expected. This team has blown chunks against the three biggest and most physical teams. This team is beyond soft!

This team needs to get bigger, stronger and more physical in a hurry. It won't happen this year but Joe has to change how he recruits. What size Joe does have just doesn't want to get into the mix. I just don't get it!

Some poor shooting last night contributed to the awful game but Cal being bigger and stronger also contributed. IUP couldn't dribble penetrate like normal so Cal kept pushing them further and further from the rim. Hence, lower percentage shots. IUP also didn't take some shots last night because they were scared of the size.

This isn't an awful IUP team but this roster isn't built to win championships either. You need a good blend of skill and beef. This team lacks the beef.

Maybe the light switch will turn on for a few but I highly doubt it. IUP will now have a tough run to make NCAA's starting with Gannon on Saturday. Yikes!

[crimsonhawkmom]

welp.

[IUPalum]

Time to see what IUP has learned since Round 1 with Cal.

Joe and his Redshirts haven't lost since blowing the big 16-point, second half lead.

Ian Herring played very little in the first game. In fact, his missed dunk arguably swung the momentum of the whole game.

Herring has played a lot lately, and he's going to really be needed against Cal's big and physical guards.

Another key item, Joe's (finally) called off his (largely worthless) 1-2-2 press. Cal shredded it in the first meeting. In fact, this Cal team is custom made to shred a 1-2-2. Too big and too fast. IUP needs to slow the pace of this game.

Sarp played a lot in the first game and it wasn't pretty. This isn't the game for Sarp. He played well Saturday in his first appearance in weeks -- but it was against a Clarion team that tapped out about 7 minutes in to the game.

When IUP was blasting Cal in the first game, the Hawks had their best ball movement of the season. Then the lights went out and AAU ball showed up.

Bautista Rodriguez is now coming off the bench, and he's been tremendously better since the change. He's IUP's most physical player, and they really need him to be a little rough Wednesday.

Cal had a dud up in Edinboro. It happens. They won't have another one in 48 hours. I can guarantee that much.

Finally, I wonder if anybody will actually guard Bryson Lucas at the top of the key this game? FYI, he can make it rain from there (as IUP somehow learned the hard way).

Bautista has improved since the press has been shut down. I'm assuming that was part of his problem. Lack of legs, to much thinking, IDK...

Herring got benched again Saturday, hopefully the light switch turns on because he's needed.

Bautista should be on Lucas when he's on the court. No clue who gets that assignment when Bautista sits. Grove is to slow, you don't want Dallis in foul trouble, Ky to small, Brooks needs to be around the rim. Tough call...

[IUPbigINDIANS]

Time to see what IUP has learned since Round 1 with Cal.

Joe and his Redshirts haven't lost since blowing the big 16-point, second half lead.

Ian Herring played very little in the first game. In fact, his missed dunk arguably swung the momentum of the whole game.

Herring has played a lot lately, and he's going to really be needed against Cal's big and physical guards.

Another key item, Joe's (finally) called off his (largely worthless) 1-2-2 press. Cal shredded it in the first meeting. In fact, this Cal team is custom made to shred a 1-2-2. Too big and too fast. IUP needs to slow the pace of this game.

Sarp played a lot in the first game and it wasn't pretty. This isn't the game for Sarp. He played well Saturday in his first appearance in weeks -- but it was against a Clarion team that tapped out about 7 minutes in to the game.

When IUP was blasting Cal in the first game, the Hawks had their best ball movement of the season. Then the lights went out and AAU ball showed up.

Bautista Rodriguez is now coming off the bench, and he's been tremendously better since the change. He's IUP's most physical player, and they really need him to be a little rough Wednesday.

Cal had a dud up in Edinboro. It happens. They won't have another one in 48 hours. I can guarantee that much.

Finally, I wonder if anybody will actually guard Bryson Lucas at the top of the key this game? FYI, he can make it rain from there (as IUP somehow learned the hard way).

[IUPbigINDIANS]

Did Clarion's coach know he was at a game today?

Goodness


Talk about throwing in the towel.


Three of their players would be welcomed with open arms in Indiana next year.

When they hit the Portal in about two weeks I sure hope Joe calls them.

[Ship69]

Another point... you do realize the majority of HS teams put up a shot long before 30 seconds right? The point of the shot clock is to keep teams from stalling and holding the ball.

If that is the case, then I'm not sure that bolsters your argument for the 30-second clock. I covered high school sports, including basketball, for about 10 years at one time, and I can count on one hand the number of times a team went into anything approaching a deep stall. Most of the mediocre teams at the high school level don't have the skill set to run a good stall and will likely as not turn the ball over. The good teams generally have no reason to run a stall. Actually, I watched a girls' HS game with a 30-second clock in Maryland last night, and I saw nothing that changed my mind. What I do know is that if I had the superior personnel with a clock running I would always be pressing to make the other team work to bring it up court. That turns the 30-second clock into more like a 22-23 second clock, assuming there is no turnover. That's about all I have to say on the subject — no use in continually going back and forth on it. Although I don't think so, you could be right. I claim no God-like powers of observation.

[IUPalum]

You're not lacking in points, but I don't see how just speeding up incompetent players is going to improve anything. It's just as likely to bring more awkward three-pointers and air balls. A clock is not going to make bad coaching better. I could be completely wrong, but I don't think I am. Probably best we agree to disagree.

Another point... you do realize the majority of HS teams put up a shot long before 30 seconds right? The point of the shot clock is to keep teams from stalling and holding the ball.

[IUPbigINDIANS]

That's one game in your region, and if McKeesport was indeed a big, athletic team then it's a shame their coach felt he had to resort to stalling against a quality opponent. That reflects little confidence in his players. Did Gateway try to force the tempo or not? If not, the score is on them as well as McKeesport. Coaches have attempted to stall high school games for at least 80 years or more. It's up to a coach to decide whether to settle for it or not. You certainly make some creditable points, but we're not going to entirely see eye to eye on this one.

One way or another, the shot clock is coming.

[Ship69]

You're missing the point! Shot clock or no shot clock these players still will have no fundamentals because they aren't taught. The shot clock or lack there of is the reason they have no fundamentals. The lack of quality coaching is the reason. By adding a shot clock, it may force players to try and develop more fundamentals to be more ready for the next level (college). Either way, it's not working as is. Change is needed and this could be the start.

You're not lacking in points, but I don't see how just speeding up incompetent players is going to improve anything. It's just as likely to bring more awkward three-pointers and air balls. A clock is not going to make bad coaching better. I could be completely wrong, but I don't think I am. Probably best we agree to disagree.