OT: D1

[IUP24]

I could see him backdooring his way into one of those tier below Gainesville jobs. Say Ole Miss loses Kiffin to the Gators, I could see him in that domino effect filling a spot at Ole Miss or even if Stoops left Kentucky perhaps him landing there as well.

I still think he should have stayed at JMU for another year or so. They have a path to the playoff as a G5 team, and that would have been much easier to the playoff than trying to will Indiana there.

I agree with this on the premise of coaching football alone. There's people who look at strictly from a financial perspective and being in a major conference.

To be clear, I'm not saying either are right or wrong. But regarding football, I think JMU was a great spot for him. I also think the upward trajectory of the school and their athletic program has them in a really good position too.

[IUPbigINDIANS]

I agree with this on the premise of coaching football alone. There's people who look at strictly from a financial perspective and being in a major conference.

To be clear, I'm not saying either are right or wrong. But regarding football, I think JMU was a great spot for him. I also think the upward trajectory of the school and their athletic program has them in a really good position too.

Curt's also 63 years old. In another 'year or two' he'll be 64-65.

I think that was his shot and he took it. There's certainly some age discrimination when hiring coaches (not that they say it out loud).

His salary went up 7x (that's a pretty financial perspective) and he got a job in the 'big time' (albeit in Bloomington).

That's pretty hard to pass.

[IUP24]

Curt's also 63 years old. In another 'year or two' he'll be 64-65.

I think that was his shot and he took it. There's certainly some age discrimination when hiring coaches (not that they say it out loud).

His salary went up 7x (that's a pretty financial perspective) and he got a job in the 'big time' (albeit in Bloomington).

That's pretty hard to pass.

I agree. I think it's fair to also agree that he would have a better shot to win long term at JMU as was suggested.

I'm not saying either method of thinking is right or wrong. He wasn't going to get a better opportunity at his age.

[iupgroundhog]

I agree. I think it's fair to also agree that he would have a better shot to win long term at JMU as was suggested.

I'm not saying either method of thinking is right or wrong. He wasn't going to get a better opportunity at his age.

Stay at James Madison University or take the HC job at Indiana University - Bloomington of the Big 10? Hmmm?

[Chuck Norris]

I could see him backdooring his way into one of those tier below Gainesville jobs. Say Ole Miss loses Kiffin to the Gators, I could see him in that domino effect filling a spot at Ole Miss or even if Stoops left Kentucky perhaps him landing there as well.

I still think he should have stayed at JMU for another year or so. They have a path to the playoff as a G5 team, and that would have been much easier to the playoff than trying to will Indiana there.

It’s an interesting point about the path to the playoff. In the G5 somebody almost always breaks through and either goes undefeated or loses just once in the regular season so the margin for error is actually quite small. In most years it feels like the BIG/SEC are going to claim 6-9 of the spots so if you’re top 4 in one of those conferences you have a shot. That’s certainly still a tall task at Indiana which is why I definitely think he’ll jump again if he has the chance.

[Ram040506]

Curt's also 63 years old. In another 'year or two' he'll be 64-65.

I think that was his shot and he took it. There's certainly some age discrimination when hiring coaches (not that they say it out loud).

His salary went up 7x (that's a pretty financial perspective) and he got a job in the 'big time' (albeit in Bloomington).

That's pretty hard to pass.

The salary thing is impossible to ignore so I agree. Can't disagree with any of that line of thinking with his age as well. He probably thought this was his last shot to get to the power 5 level.

[IUPNation]

Indiana will never be a contender in football in the B1G. As I mentioned yesterday, his path to 6-0 includes FIU, Western Illinois, UCLA, Charlotte, Maryland, and Northwestern. So the conversations of him being a God-like figure there are a bit overblown in my opinion. I'm glad he's having a successful start to his tenure, but I think perspective is in order. He has to still play Nebraska, Ohio State, and Michigan. Now... I believe their games against Nebraska and Michigan are actually winnable. I think Michigan is an average team this year. Nebraska is good, but they certainly aren't "great" or unbeatable. If he goes 2-1 there, that is a massive win for his program.

To your point in the larger conversation, the benefit of the expanded B1G is that the schedule arrangements won't always require you to play Ohio State, Michigan, and Penn State every year. Penn State is obviously a huge beneficiary of that pertaining to OSU and Michigan specifically, but considering Oregon too (given Franklin's track record against higher end teams). Oregon is in that same tier of the three I mentioned. For Curt, you really look at 4 teams who are likely losses every time you line up against them most years. Again, they aren't going to have to play all of them every year, which is a benefit to him.

The problem for Curt and the Hoosiers is that there is a likely cap to what he can do there just in the overall pecking order with regards to some of the resources available. It'll be challenging to ever see them in the next tier of teams in the conference. Nebraska, Washington, and Michigan State are in that tier (simply based on resources and commitment from the administration), and its hard - for me at least - to think that Indiana will ever be in that tier for football.

For Fake Indiana to be big time, Curt needs to throw chairs.

Its crazy how their basketball program has fallen…

[Fightingscot82]

Indiana will never be a contender in football in the B1G. As I mentioned yesterday, his path to 6-0 includes FIU, Western Illinois, UCLA, Charlotte, Maryland, and Northwestern. So the conversations of him being a God-like figure there are a bit overblown in my opinion. I'm glad he's having a successful start to his tenure, but I think perspective is in order. He has to still play Nebraska, Ohio State, and Michigan. Now... I believe their games against Nebraska and Michigan are actually winnable. I think Michigan is an average team this year. Nebraska is good, but they certainly aren't "great" or unbeatable. If he goes 2-1 there, that is a massive win for his program.

To your point in the larger conversation, the benefit of the expanded B1G is that the schedule arrangements won't always require you to play Ohio State, Michigan, and Penn State every year. Penn State is obviously a huge beneficiary of that pertaining to OSU and Michigan specifically, but considering Oregon too (given Franklin's track record against higher end teams). Oregon is in that same tier of the three I mentioned. For Curt, you really look at 4 teams who are likely losses every time you line up against them most years. Again, they aren't going to have to play all of them every year, which is a benefit to him.

The problem for Curt and the Hoosiers is that there is a likely cap to what he can do there just in the overall pecking order with regards to some of the resources available. It'll be challenging to ever see them in the next tier of teams in the conference. Nebraska, Washington, and Michigan State are in that tier (simply based on resources and commitment from the administration), and its hard - for me at least - to think that Indiana will ever be in that tier for football.

I'd argue they have to leapfrog Illinois, which is also having quite the resurgence. Illinois has proven their ability to have a top 25 program as a second-rate Big Ten team.

[Ship69]

Curt's also 63 years old. In another 'year or two' he'll be 64-65.

I think that was his shot and he took it. There's certainly some age discrimination when hiring coaches (not that they say it out loud).

His salary went up 7x (that's a pretty financial perspective) and he got a job in the 'big time' (albeit in Bloomington).

That's pretty hard to pass.

I agree. If you have a path to an SEC or B1G job at his age, you almost have to take it. And while there might be a ceiling on Indiana, he also doesn't have to be an Ohio State-level coach who takes big heat after losing a one-point game to Oregon.

[Ship69]

Indiana will never be a contender in football in the B1G. As I mentioned yesterday, his path to 6-0 includes FIU, Western Illinois, UCLA, Charlotte, Maryland, and Northwestern. So the conversations of him being a God-like figure there are a bit overblown in my opinion. I'm glad he's having a successful start to his tenure, but I think perspective is in order. He has to still play Nebraska, Ohio State, and Michigan. Now... I believe their games against Nebraska and Michigan are actually winnable. I think Michigan is an average team this year. Nebraska is good, but they certainly aren't "great" or unbeatable. If he goes 2-1 there, that is a massive win for his program.

To your point in the larger conversation, the benefit of the expanded B1G is that the schedule arrangements won't always require you to play Ohio State, Michigan, and Penn State every year. Penn State is obviously a huge beneficiary of that pertaining to OSU and Michigan specifically, but considering Oregon too (given Franklin's track record against higher end teams). Oregon is in that same tier of the three I mentioned. For Curt, you really look at 4 teams who are likely losses every time you line up against them most years. Again, they aren't going to have to play all of them every year, which is a benefit to him.

The problem for Curt and the Hoosiers is that there is a likely cap to what he can do there just in the overall pecking order with regards to some of the resources available. It'll be challenging to ever see them in the next tier of teams in the conference. Nebraska, Washington, and Michigan State are in that tier (simply based on resources and commitment from the administration), and its hard - for me at least - to think that Indiana will ever be in that tier for football.

Nothing you say is really not true, but you can argue that the vast majority of FBS teams outside of the usual elite have a "cap." We'll see if expanding the playoff makes any difference in that.

[IUP24]

Nothing you say is really not true, but you can argue that the vast majority of FBS teams outside of the usual elite have a "cap." We'll see if expanding the playoff makes any difference in that.

They are all going to have a "cap" beginning the day after the College World Series ends in June 2025.

[Fightingscot82]

Pitt hires the #2 from Tennessee as their new AD. At face value, a good hire. That's a strong athletic program to emulate.

https://triblive.com/sports/espn-rep...s-its-next-ad/

[TheBigCat2192]

Pitt hires the #2 from Tennessee as their new AD. At face value, a good hire. That's a strong athletic program to emulate.

https://triblive.com/sports/espn-rep...s-its-next-ad/

On one hand Greene is the guy who hired Bryan Harsin at Auburn which ended pretty badly. His other three hires in the money sports at Buffalo and Auburn look better at least: Oats (left Buffalo for Alabama after a few good years) and Pearl in basketball and Leipold at Buffalo for football (eventually left Buffalo for Kansas). The TribLive article suggests he got hired for his NIL work and general fundraising more than his coach hiring. Perhaps Pitt’s leadership is worried they need more dollars to keep up in the new CFB world.

[IUP24]

On one hand Greene is the guy who hired Bryan Harsin at Auburn which ended pretty badly. His other three hires in the money sports at Buffalo and Auburn look better at least: Oats (left Buffalo for Alabama after a few good years) and Pearl in basketball and Leipold at Buffalo for football (eventually left Buffalo for Kansas). The TribLive article suggests he got hired for his NIL work and general fundraising more than his coach hiring. Perhaps Pitt’s leadership is worried they need more dollars to keep up in the new CFB world.

Bryan Harsin was a good hire on paper. Auburn has whiffed on a ton of coaches though. It just didn’t work out at Auburn because of… Auburn lol

They need a visionary from a dollars and cents standpoint pertaining to the new revenue sharing model. That’s what all schools will need. Heather Lyke was asked by her boss (Joan Gabel) and her bosses boss (Board of Directors) to put a presentation together to outline her plans for the new model of college athletics. She didn’t want to and had no vision. She was fired for it.

[TheBigCat2192]

Bryan Harsin was a good hire on paper. Auburn has whiffed on a ton of coaches though. It just didn’t work out at Auburn because of… Auburn lol

They need a visionary from a dollars and cents standpoint pertaining to the new revenue sharing model. That’s what all schools will need. Heather Lyke was asked by her boss (Joan Gabel) and her bosses boss (Board of Directors) to put a presentation together to outline her plans for the new model of college athletics. She didn’t want to and had no vision. She was fired for it.

Yeah, I’m not sure where it went wrong with Harsin. The fact that he still hasn’t resurfaced somewhere as an OC or other offensive assistant somewhere makes me wonder what exactly went on behind closed doors given that he’s only 47 and had a mostly successful career up to his time in Auburn.