Should Jamestown be accepted into the NSIC?

[njmav1]

Mankato was the Jamestown of NCAA hockey when the WCHA allowed them to join. They ended up being in the bottom tier for most of the WCHA Part 1 existence. It was only after realignment and the "blue bloods" left the WCHA did Mankato hockey become something. ;)

The NoDak announcers on Midco said pretty much the same thing.

[Purple Mav Man]

Mankato was the Jamestown of NCAA hockey when the WCHA allowed them to join. They ended up being in the bottom tier for most of the WCHA Part 1 existence. It was only after realignment and the "blue bloods" left the WCHA did Mankato hockey become something. ;)

MSU was 15-10-3 in their first year in the WCHA. I love the one sport conference comparison though! Almost applies :)

[laker]

Most of you rookies weren't around in 2003 when the Mavs didn't win a game.

2003 Football Schedule - Minnesota State University - Mankato Athletics (msumavericks.com)

[Purple Mav Man]

Most of you rookies weren't around in 2003 when the Mavs didn't win a game.

2003 Football Schedule - Minnesota State University - Mankato Athletics (msumavericks.com)

Clarence Holley baby!!!

[Purple Mav Man]

Most of you rookies weren't around in 2003 when the Mavs didn't win a game.

2003 Football Schedule - Minnesota State University - Mankato Athletics (msumavericks.com)

My college years were some of the worst for MSU football. Haha

[laker]

Clarence Holley baby!!!

I was going to go to the game in Brookings, but my buddy Steve Johnson called and invited me to the hockey game against Providence so I went to Kato instead. I'm driving back home, listening to 570 WNAX. Steve Emmings and whoever was doing the color were furious that the Mavs ran Bobby Ruffin 43 times when behind 38-0 (final score 38-6). They were worried for his health- he was taking such a beating.

[Purple Mav Man]

I was going to go to the game in Brookings, but my buddy Steve Johnson called and invited me to the hockey game against Providence so I went to Kato instead. I'm driving back home, listening to 570 WNAX. Steve Emmings and whoever was doing the color were furious that the Mavs ran Bobby Ruffin 43 times when behind 38-0 (final score 38-6). They were worried for his health- he was taking such a beating.

Ruffin was the only guy on offense that had any ability at all, and Holley was such a buffoon and over his head, he had no idea what he was doing.

I was walking on campus during the 2003 season and ended up going by the bus as the players were loading. None of them looked at all interested in the trip. They were all beaten down by then.

[Stanger86]

I still maintain it’s not about superiority. It’s about what does the applicant add/bring to the table? The answer is solely an even number. That’s not enough, IMO - This is how I feel about MSU going D1. Many conferences in the area would ask, “what do they bring us, how do they make us better?” That is almost as big of a hurdle as money for the transition.

Should we be looking beyond just the past for answers? All this stuff about what do they bring to the table is what brought the excitement over bringing in additions such as the St. Cloud State football program. Looking again at what SCSU has brought, knowing what we know now, are we as excited about what the Huskies have brought to the table?

As the NCAA landscape continues to shift, I think there will be a lot of maneuvering over a decade or so. So I think it is important to continue to build up the base of like-minded institutions within the regional footprint that can help steady the conference. I know certain factions of the NSIC fandom don't believe they deserve to be in the same breath as University of Jamestown, but these are also the exact types of programs we need to be monitoring for possible defections to "greener pastures." If we let these programs decide the fate of the NSIC as a whole before ultimately bolting, the NSIC will not last through to the next generation of alumni.

[Stanger86]

Big picture, I'm not sure it's all that big a deal. There weren't much other options that were seemingly realistic either. Most people here assumed they would be the best/most likely option once UIU left.

Without giving it any real thought, I'd assume divisions will re-occur and it would look something like this for football..as it would make travel easier overall..7 and 7. That would be 6 games of your schedule..and then you play 3 or 4 games against the other division..and find a way to play all 7 teams in the other division within a 2 year window..which would make for 9 or 10 games within the conference..and then leave things open for 1-2 non-con in a given year..and you leave W1 open for teams to find a non-con (since that's the most common nationally). Certainly I haven't figured out anything other than spitballing here on the spot.

I wonder if certain institutions might be more open to the idea (or at least willing enough to vote "yes") if they have assurances that football does not return to a silo schedule model.

[Stanger86]

FWIW....the Mavs practiced there on their way to Minot about a month ago and said it was nicer than expected. The UJ playing field had some upgrades not long ago.

As I stated a while back..if they are making a site visit, they aren't writing on the wall with pencil anymore..it's permanent marker is my guess.

I feel like the hesitancy certain people have is based on a misunderstanding of what UJ is and has to offer. They just hear "North Dakota" and make assumptions. They are going in believing that everything UJ has to offer is not even as good as UMC. In reality, Jamestown as a city is twice the size as Crookston, only 10 minutes further from Fargo/Moorhead than Crookston, UJ is closer to Wayne America than UMD and BSU are, facilities are in the top 2-3 of the NSIC.

And yes, I'm well aware that comparing largely to UMC is a dangerous game, but that is what it feels like everyone else is doing anyway.

[Purple Mav Man]

I feel like the hesitancy certain people have is based on a misunderstanding of what UJ is and has to offer. They just hear "North Dakota" and make assumptions. They are going in believing that everything UJ has to offer is not even as good as UMC. In reality, Jamestown as a city is twice the size as Crookston, only 10 minutes further from Fargo/Moorhead than Crookston, UJ is closer to Wayne America than UMD and BSU are, facilities are in the top 2-3 of the NSIC.

And yes, I'm well aware that comparing largely to UMC is a dangerous game, but that is what it feels like everyone else is doing anyway.

Nobody else is doing that. You are reaching to make your point for Jamestown.

We all get it, SMSU rises up with their addition, so you guys can feel better about your program. You want to take your veiled shots, I’ll be direct… SMSU needs Jamestown so they can win. This is a fun game to make wild assumptions. Since you’ve not made any other case for them, I’ll assume you want to add Jamestown so SMSU can be one more rung up the standings. Or maybe we can all wait for the other schools to leave so Jamestown can be competitive, as alluded to in the hockey post/shot?

[zimmy21]

I feel like the hesitancy certain people have is based on a misunderstanding of what UJ is and has to offer. They just hear "North Dakota" and make assumptions. They are going in believing that everything UJ has to offer is not even as good as UMC. In reality, Jamestown as a city is twice the size as Crookston, only 10 minutes further from Fargo/Moorhead than Crookston, UJ is closer to Wayne America than UMD and BSU are, facilities are in the top 2-3 of the NSIC.

And yes, I'm well aware that comparing largely to UMC is a dangerous game, but that is what it feels like everyone else is doing anyway.

Facilities do nothing for the conference as a whole. They don't even do enough for them to be competitive in the GPAC. Non-factor. The only thing they bring is an even number to benefit the conference and you know that damn well

[Matt Witwicki]

I feel like the hesitancy certain people have is based on a misunderstanding of what UJ is and has to offer. They just hear "North Dakota" and make assumptions. They are going in believing that everything UJ has to offer is not even as good as UMC. In reality, Jamestown as a city is twice the size as Crookston, only 10 minutes further from Fargo/Moorhead than Crookston, UJ is closer to Wayne America than UMD and BSU are, facilities are in the top 2-3 of the NSIC.

And yes, I'm well aware that comparing largely to UMC is a dangerous game, but that is what it feels like everyone else is doing anyway.

Who's thinking about UMC right now..? I mean..if that's the bar to clear..uh..

Saying their facilities are top 2-3 in the NSIC....I know they have a nice gym, but football is maybe middle of the pack..maybe..?

[Stanger86]

Who's thinking about UMC right now..? I mean..if that's the bar to clear..uh..

I guess it's a lot farther back than I realized, but an example: That doesn’t read like an overall program ready to come in and compete, even with their commitments. And when I say compete, I don’t mean compete for titles by any means, people like to overreact to that statement. I mean not be a Crookston and actually field a competitive team.

[Stanger86]

Facilities do nothing for the conference as a whole. They don't even do enough for them to be competitive in the GPAC. Non-factor.

They just won a national championship in volleyball...oh yeah, the only kids at MSU you care about are in the football program.